# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 186
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3701 "2022-10-13T04:14:36Z")
I was amused to see that the employee who moved the boxes, Walt Nauta, like pretty much everyone else who works, or has worked, or been in any way associated with Trump, has now equipped himself with a lawyer. And like all other others, he’s probably going to need one. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3702 "2022-10-13T04:15:29Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I believe that being a serial liar is a job requirement at TrumpCo. Or he received threats if he admitted it, We already know Trump was intimidating witnesses going in front of the Jan 6 Committee. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 6:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3703 "2022-10-13T06:35:29Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > I was amused to see that the employee who moved the boxes, Walt Nauta, like pretty much everyone else who works, or has worked, or been in any way associated with Trump, has now equipped himself with a lawyer. And like all other others, he’s probably going to need one. You’re not the only one who has noticed that. Seems like everybody who associates with Trump–including his lawyers–have retained lawyers. It’s lawyers all the way down! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 11:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3704 "2022-10-13T11:10:06Z")
I read somewhere (in the process of finding a citation) that some boxes were also to be moved to Trump Tower from the WH but the plan was scrapped. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 11:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3705 "2022-10-13T11:19:53Z")
There was a stolen classified folder on display at Trump Tower’s bar, so it’s not impossible. > **[Empty 'classified' folder on display at Trump Tower's 45-themed bar, report...](https://www.businessinsider.com/empty-classified-folder-on-display-at-trump-tower-bar-msnbc-2022-9?r=US&IR=T)** > > An empty "classified" folder is on display at Trump Tower, bearing a resemblance to the 48 empty folders seized by the FBI from Mar-a-Lago, per MSNBC. Hmmm, @Northern_Piper, now that I think of it could this give the FBI probable cause to search Trump Tower for other stolen documents? ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3706 "2022-10-13T15:50:22Z")
This article is straight up disinformation, or at least the headline is. “Classified” is not a classification category, nor is it ever a classification marking. That is not what classified folders or cover sheets look like. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3707 "2022-10-13T16:11:32Z")
I’m assuming the quotation marks in the headline is for plausible deniability for the clickbait for that reason. ---
**Author:** ![tofor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tofor/32/13727_2.png) [@tofor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tofor)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3708 "2022-10-13T17:23:23Z")
“It’s not immediately clear whether the empty folder on display at Trump Tower is a replica or the real deal.” > [@Leaper](#): > > I’m assuming the quotation marks in the headline is for plausible deniability for the clickbait for that reason. I don’t think so. I think it’s just really bad reporting. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3709 "2022-10-13T19:01:52Z")
Breaking: > ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3710 "2022-10-13T19:13:54Z")
Awesome. The order affords the application exactly as much consideration as it deserved. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3711 "2022-10-13T19:15:14Z")
whomp whomp. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3712 "2022-10-13T19:17:48Z")
Okay, color me directionally challenged. I’m having a hard time keeping track of who’s on first. What with the petitions, suits, stays, reversals. Can someone spell this out for me in a few bullet points as you would to a slow five-year old who can’t tell right from left (that last part-- I really can’t). ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3713 "2022-10-13T19:21:13Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Okay, color me directionally challenged. I’m having a hard time keeping track of who’s on first. What with the petitions, suits, stays, reversals. Can someone spell this out for me in a few bullet points as you would to a slow five-year old who can’t tell right from left (that last part-- I really can’t). Clarence Thomas is sleeping on the couch for the rest of the week, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3714 "2022-10-13T19:26:26Z")
Judge Canon says DOJ can’t use classified docs in investigation until reviewed by special master. DOJ appeals to 11th Circuit 11th Circuit says the special master doesn’t need to review classified docs before DOJ can use them for investigation. Trump appeals 11th Circuit decision to SCOTUS SCOTUS (Justice Thomas) says 11th Circuit decision stands Result: DOJ can continue to use classified docs in investigation and doesn’t need to show them to Trump or special master. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3715 "2022-10-13T19:30:18Z")
It’s not surprising you’re confused. There are so many different directions the case has taken, mostly by Trump, and intended to muddle the issues. Delay and muddling are really his only goals. Well outlined by @Elmer_J.Fudd. Trump was hoping for some delay, but it doesn’t look like he’s going to get any. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3716 "2022-10-13T19:33:19Z")
The order says Thomas referred the case to the rest of the court. Does that mean Thomas could have supported Trump’s appeal and was outvoted? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3717 "2022-10-13T19:38:21Z")
I believe this was handled on the shadow docket, so we will never know. However, with as much scrutiny and pressure as Thomas has recently been under, I think even he will hide behind the full bench and at least imply he wasn’t prepared to disrupt the rule of law to the extent asked for by Trump. The outcome of this appeal was never really in doubt. But the fact that we even had to wonder if it was demonstrates how shaky is the ground on which the rule of law is currently rested. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3718 "2022-10-13T19:41:33Z")
Thanks so much for that. * * * > [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > Clarence Thomas is sleeping on the couch for the rest of the week, at least. Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3719 "2022-10-13T19:45:40Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > Couldn’t happen to a nicer guy. Couldn’t happen to a more deserving guy. [As dad used to say] ---
**Author:** ![naita](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naita/32/5862_2.png) [@naita](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/naita)\ **Post date:** [October 13, 2022, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3720 "2022-10-13T19:53:53Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > I believe this was handled on the shadow docket, so we will never know. However, with as much scrutiny and pressure as Thomas has recently been under, I think even he will hide behind the full bench and at least imply he wasn’t prepared to disrupt the rule of law to the extent asked for by Trump. Will we still get a round of Trump calling Thomas part of the deep state though? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=185) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=187)