# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 191
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3801 "2022-10-20T19:14:35Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > So yeah, greed, vanity, cupidity, contrariness, all backed up by insane levels of vainglory and childishness. Good list. Add stupidity too. ---
**Author:** ![Dr\_Paprika](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr_paprika/32/3042_2.png) [@Dr\_Paprika](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr_Paprika)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3802 "2022-10-20T19:32:18Z")
You likely know that quid is a slang term for British money. In that case, one phrasing is wittier than the other. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 7:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3803 "2022-10-20T19:55:37Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Its also possible he drank his own Kool-Aid to the point where he actually thought he’d be reinstated, so he’d need the documents himself to pick up where he left off. This makes it seem like he actually worked. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3804 "2022-10-20T19:59:37Z")
> [@ParallelLines](#): > > Except all indications are he never did any of the actual work of the presidency with any seriousness … > [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > This makes it seem like he actually worked. I’m not talking about what you or I would consider work. I’m talking about what Trump considers “work”: seeking out adulation, lashing out at slights petty and gross, and above all, grifting. In his mind, these documents may have been central to his job. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3805 "2022-10-20T20:05:09Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I’m not talking about what you or I would consider work. I’m talking about what Trump considers “work”: That’s a good point. He didn’t sit around doing nothing. He was busy giving press conferences to talk about how great he was, tweeting out conspiracy theories and playground insults, and so on. He wasn’t doing presidential things, he wasn’t being a leader, but he definitely put in the work (as he believed the job needed to be done). Though I’d wager even his version of “work” was less than most people in that position. For example, he seemed to golf more than his predecessors did. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3806 "2022-10-20T20:06:03Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Though I’d wager even his version of “work” was less than most people in that position. For example, he seemed to golf more than his predecessors did. And watch a lot more TV. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 8:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3807 "2022-10-20T20:29:45Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > > [@Akaj](#): > > > > I’m not talking about what you or I would consider work. I’m talking about what Trump considers “work”: > > That’s a good point. He didn’t sit around doing nothing. He was busy giving press conferences to talk about how great he was, tweeting out conspiracy theories and playground insults, and so on. Fair enough, by his values of ‘work’ I could see the love letter from Kim being important. The rest of the classified documents, we’ll need to know more. Or ideally, not, other than in general terms, because, well, even with possible over-classification issues, we almost certainly do not have need to know. ---
**Author:** ![mordecaiB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mordecaib/32/7725_2.png) [@mordecaiB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mordecaiB)\ **Post date:** [October 20, 2022, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3808 "2022-10-20T22:18:44Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > That’s a good point. He didn’t sit around doing nothing. He was busy giving press conferences to talk about how great he was, tweeting out conspiracy theories and playground insults, and so on. Hey, those lies don’t spread by themselves! > [@ParallelLines](#): > > So yeah, greed, vanity, cupidity, contrariness, all backed up by insane levels of vainglory and childishness. This may be one of the best descriptions of Trump’s characteristics ever. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3809 "2022-10-21T15:56:02Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > I’m not talking about what you or I would consider work. I’m talking about what Trump considers “work”: seeking out adulation, lashing out at slights petty and gross, and above all, grifting. In his mind, these documents may have been central to his job. You left out one of the important ones – well, after the grifting – picking out color swatches and curtains. And the documents were props, like those blank-paper folios he was ‘signing.’ ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3810 "2022-10-21T17:40:45Z")
With the caveat that there’s a WHOLE lot of uncorroborated speculation going on … > **[Classified papers seized from Trump home held U.S. secrets about Iran, China...](https://news.yahoo.com/classified-papers-seized-trump-home-165746175.html)** > > Highly sensitive intelligence on Iran and China was in some of the documents recovered by the FBI during an August search of former U.S. President Donald Trump's home in Florida, The Washington Post reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the... > [@](#): > > WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Highly sensitive intelligence on Iran and China was in some of the documents recovered by the FBI during an August search of former U.S. President Donald Trump’s home in Florida, The Washington Post reported on Friday, citing people familiar with the matter. > > They included secret documents that described intelligence work regarding China and at least one of them described Iran’s missile program, the report said, adding that the documents were considered to be among the most sensitive in the materials seized by the FBI. > > The release of information in these documents would pose multiple risks, including endangering people helping U.S. intelligence efforts and compromising collection efforts, the newspaper cited experts as saying. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3811 "2022-10-21T18:54:11Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > … there’s a WHOLE lot of uncorroborated speculation going on … Wouldn’t leaking this information to the Post be nearly as sloppy as Trump hoarding the docs to begin with? Why would anyone connected with the investigation do so? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3812 "2022-10-21T18:57:37Z")
I look at it like this: Taking a photograph of a sexually explicit magazine that arrived in my mailbox, still in its plain brown wrapper, and then posting that photo on the Interwebs would give people an idea of what’s in the wrapper and in the magazine. But it wouldn’t be publishing or trafficking in pornography. Saying that nuclear information concerning Iran was in the TS documents – ISTM – is highly unlikely to be revealing anything that could reasonably be considered sensitive. Topic headings, no specifics. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3813 "2022-10-21T19:02:36Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Topic headings, no specifics. Also, it’s pretty much guaranteed that these speculations about the topic headings are pretty much known by everyone in the intelligence community at this point. So they are really not revealing anything shocking. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3814 "2022-10-21T19:11:03Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Saying that nuclear information concerning Iran was in the TS documents – ISTM – is highly unlikely to be revealing anything that could reasonably be considered sensitive. > [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Also, it’s pretty much guaranteed that these speculations about the topic headings are pretty much known by everyone in the intelligence community at this point. True. But I wasn’t so much concerned that the DOJ was revealing secrets – just that allowing even this much information to leak out seems like sloppy work by an investigation that’s played things pretty close to the vest. Unless it’s an intentional leak. What would be the thinking behind that? ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3815 "2022-10-21T19:14:16Z")
I do think that’s a valid question, but in another discussion, elsewhere, I pointed out this ([**11pp PDF**](https://oig.justice.gov/sites/default/files/reports/21-104.pdf)): > Report of Investigation Regarding Alleged Unauthorized Contacts by Federal Bureau of Investigation Employees with the Media and Other Persons in Advance of the 2016 Election Leaks are as much a part of DC as the air that they breathe. There are probably broad categories of why people leak, but I’m not sure we generally know who leaked and why in a given instance. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3816 "2022-10-21T19:16:27Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Unless it’s an intentional leak. What would be the thinking behind that? To try to show the Trumpistas that their hero has compromised very important government classified secrets about other countries, and this has damaged the country’s safety. It won’t convince the die hard morons, but it might just sway some with more than two brain cells to rub together. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3817 "2022-10-21T19:51:51Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > their hero Their MESSiah. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [October 21, 2022, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3818 "2022-10-21T20:41:45Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > True. But I wasn’t so much concerned that the DOJ was revealing secrets – just that allowing even this much information to leak out seems like sloppy work by an investigation that’s played things pretty close to the vest. > > Unless it’s an intentional leak. What would be the thinking behind that? The Gang of 8 gets access to all top national security information. Given that it’s getting near to election day for Congress, I think the most reasonable explanation would be that Pelosi or Schumer were briefed and decided to release the information. It’s unlikely that someone in the FBI did. The White House could have and might have for the same reason but, in general, they have less of a motive since they’re less focused on the election. Pelosi would be my guess. ---
**Author:** ![Dahnlor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahnlor/32/533_2.png) [@Dahnlor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahnlor)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3819 "2022-10-22T15:35:13Z")
> [@susan](#): > > > [@Gyrate](#): > > > > At least Kang makes the trains run on time. > > Huh, I thought that was Kodos. Kang won, Homer voted for Kodos. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2022, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/3820 "2022-10-24T15:21:41Z")
So, this is happening: > I actually don’t know if it’s Trump related, but didn’t know where else to dump this as it _could_ be. Maybe some Russian diplomats being expelled? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=190) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=192)