# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/421 "2022-08-11T17:21:39Z")
I just watched _American Hustle_ for the first time the other day. I would really like to see a real, successful Abscam. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/422 "2022-08-11T17:26:08Z")
BREAKING: > NYTimes: > **[Trump Search Said to Be Part of Effort to Find Highly Classified Material](https://www.nytimes.com/2022/08/11/us/politics/trump-fbi-subpoena.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share)** > > The former president said he would not object to the Justice Department’s move to release the search warrant used to carry out the search of his Florida home. Also, from Maggie Haberman: > ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/423 "2022-08-11T17:27:32Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > I guess June was too soon to turn it into a political/ fundraising issue for his impending campaign announcement. Also, the stuff that was removed in June would appear to be the stuff Trump didn’t really care about keeping, since a polite visit was all it took for Trump to let them take that stuff. So now he’s screeching because they came for the other stuff, the stuff he _did_ care about. Why else is there a distinction between what he gave up when they asked nicely, and what they had to take by force? If it was all innocuous, why didn’t he just let them have it all in June? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/424 "2022-08-11T17:35:53Z")
I said before, I’m pretty sure that this is going to be a big deal. You don’t have someone as careful and slow as Garland making an unprecedented and dramatic move like this unless there’s something huge involved. And there would need to be assurances that it was there, not just an estimate. Reports of an informant cooperating with the feds corroborate that idea. That would also explain why both sides are cagey about what was taken. Trump is cagey because what was taken is damaging to him. The DOJ is cagey because this is part of a criminal investigation. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/425 "2022-08-11T17:37:10Z")
It also may be so classified that they can’t say what it is. _May be…_ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/426 "2022-08-11T17:38:34Z")
??? > I bet it’s about the shooting. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/427 "2022-08-11T17:39:53Z")
It will be a careful statement, about that I am certain. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/428 "2022-08-11T17:42:00Z")
> [@Horatius](#): > > why didn’t he just let them have it all in June? Because his wealth gives him all that is common place, he strives to obtain things that other people cannot have. Probably personal communications from powerful leaders but also top secret documents because they are unique. None of his friends have these things. It’s like having a stolen Rembrandt. You can’t hang it in the living room, but only you can savor it in the basement. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/429 "2022-08-11T17:44:49Z")
I assume he has materials that implicate his most vociferous allies. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/430 "2022-08-11T17:56:32Z")
my first and continuing thought on this, is this could be saudi related. it comes on the heels of liv golf at bedminster. also why i’m wondering if florida is the only place these documents could be. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/431 "2022-08-11T17:58:37Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > You don’t have someone as careful and slow as Garland making an unprecedented and dramatic move like this unless there’s something huge involved. I felt the same way about the Mueller Investigation, and that turned out to be a dud. I hope it’s different this time around. Teflon eventually wears off, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/432 "2022-08-11T18:02:11Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I felt the same way about the Mueller Investigation, and that turned out to be a dud. But it wasn’t. The Mueller Report pointed out a whole bunch of irregularities (and, no collusion because they were both working for the same goal, so no collusion necessary) that the DOJ couldn’t pursue for … reasons, basically saying “if you want penalties, impeach the SOB”. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 6:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/433 "2022-08-11T18:12:22Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > Teflon eventually wears off, doesn’t it? I wish he were only just a Teflon president. He’s a whole new beast, a mud monster president. With the standard Teflon president, mud flung at just slips off leaving his reputation pristine. With Trump the flung mud sticks to him and becomes part of his reputation, everyone knows that he’s a lying racist asshole, but that just makes him stronger with his base. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/434 "2022-08-11T18:25:18Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > I felt the same way about the Mueller Investigation, and that turned out to be a dud. I hope it’s different this time around. It’s so important to understand _why_ the Mueller investigation was “a dud.” It wasn’t because Mueller failed. He didn’t. It was because Trump had so corrupted the Republican party and the DOJ that _they_ failed to hold Trump to account for crimes that, when considered within the scope of American history, are simply jaw-dropping. Mueller’s mistake was to place his faith in the strength of our system. In hindsight, that may have been naive – but in the moment, I have a hard time faulting him for it. To compare Trump’s DOJ to Biden’s DOJ is a huge mistake, I think. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/435 "2022-08-11T18:36:14Z")
I think the bigger issue was: 1. The Executive was immune from prosecution and from inspection. 2. The Executive had the power to pardon anyone implicated in anything, severely limiting the ability of the DOJ to flip witnesses. I mean, if everyone knows that no one can do anything to you… Really, you just ignore the investigators, draw the process out, and accept your pardon when you eventually lose your case. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/436 "2022-08-11T18:41:02Z")
1. That was DOJ’s assertion, and Mueller was constrained by it entirely. Mueller was told by Rod Rosenstein that he could not disregard the OLC memo. It’s worth noting that the OLC memo has never been tested by any court. It is not a law, it is a rule. But you’re correct; Trump benefited enormously from this protection. 2. Agree that Mueller was hamstrung by Trump’s corrupt pardons. That certainly played out in the cases of Roger Stone and Paul Manafort. ETA: In the end, it never mattered. Republicans were never going to remove Trump from office as was warranted. And that’s what I mean when I say Mueller didn’t fail. Republicans and Bill Barr did. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/437 "2022-08-11T18:58:34Z")
Update: > 2nd tweet: > ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/438 "2022-08-11T19:07:09Z")
Here we go! > Slightly different, from MSNBC: > ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/439 "2022-08-11T19:12:01Z")
that was a lovely dressing down from garland. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/440 "2022-08-11T19:12:21Z")
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