# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 228
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4541 "2023-02-15T16:00:07Z")
also known as ‘le parfum de katsup’ ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4542 "2023-02-15T16:04:23Z")
There is also Controlled Unclassified Information that still has physical and cybersecurity standards. Using CUI as a lampshade would be frowned upon 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4543 "2023-02-15T16:11:33Z")
My hypothesis: Aides are producing fake ‘classified’ folders to keep DJT happy. I have zero evidence to base this on other than sheer cussedness. Nor am I claiming the one being discussed is a fake. But I can _totally_ see this happening. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4544 "2023-02-15T16:13:52Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > There was no “raid”. Stop calling it that. It was an execution of a duly authorized search warrant. Lighten up, Francis. Call it whatever you want, I’m going to call it a raid because it’s faster to type and you know exactly what I’m talking about. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4545 "2023-02-15T16:14:27Z")
I can also see the lawyer submitting fakes, like the classified lampshade, to troll the DOJ & media. He seemed smarmy enough in that interview that I wouldn’t put it past him. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4546 "2023-02-15T17:18:29Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > My hypothesis: Aides are producing fake ‘classified’ folders to keep DJT happy. They don’t even have to “produce” them - you can buy them online quite easily. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [February 15, 2023, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4547 "2023-02-15T22:42:13Z")
Am the only one who heard the lawyer mention the classified folder on the bedside table and jumped right to Trump getting spanked with it? The Blue Light Special was quite a letdown. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4548 "2023-02-16T00:07:01Z")
> [@tofor](#): > > His _brand_ is that he’s a rich and powerful business man. … This isn’t the Pit so I’ll make no personal comment. But in view of all that is known about Donald Trump, I am amazed that there are still people typing things like this (and obviously there are, for whatever reasons). ---
**Author:** ![scudsucker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scudsucker/32/14101_2.png) [@scudsucker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scudsucker)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4549 "2023-02-16T02:57:10Z")
I doubt Melania is into that. Or, really, anything to do with Trump. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 4:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4550 "2023-02-16T04:47:54Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Call it whatever you want, I’m going to call it a raid because it’s faster to type and you know exactly what I’m talking about. How about we call it a “search”, just two more letters to Shirley make me happy ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4551 "2023-02-16T14:53:26Z")
> [@scudsucker](#): > > I doubt Melania is into that. > > Or, really, anything to do with Trump. Who said anything about Melania? She wasn’t the one spanking him with the magazine either. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4552 "2023-02-16T16:22:40Z")
> [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](#): > > She wasn’t the one spanking him with the magazine either. Sometimes being Vice President has its perks. ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4553 "2023-02-16T19:20:05Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > There was no “raid”. Stop calling it that. It was an execution of a duly authorized search warrant. It was a raid. Calling it a raid does not mean it was bad or illegitimate. Raid is the correct term. You are correct that it was an execution of a duly authorized search warrant. Law enforcement has a word for executing a search warrant. The word is raid. [Police Raid.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police_raid) > [@](#): > > A **police raid** is an unexpected visit by [police](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Police) or other [law-enforcement officers](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_enforcement_officers) with the aim of using the element of surprise in order to seize evidence or arrest suspects believed to be likely to hide evidence, resist arrest, be politically sensitive, or simply be elsewhere during the day. It was a raid. Why do you object to the word? ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4554 "2023-02-16T19:30:49Z")
Because it makes Donnie Two-scoops look bad. Sort of like repeatedly taking the fifth when actually under oath. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4555 "2023-02-16T19:51:27Z")
> [@Peter\_Morris](#): > > Law enforcement has a word for executing a search warrant. The word is raid. A raid is when the police come in without permission using the authority of a warrant (search or arrest). The person being raided can’t legally prevent them from it. It doesn’t automatically mean using battering rams and smoke grenades. It just means they’re coming in whether you want it or not. And in addition, they’re not giving you a warning in advance so that you can’t hide or destroy the evidence they’re seeking, or flee to avoid capture. In this particular case, the FBI did let the Secret Service know in advance (which seems smart to me, since that is a group that you probably don’t want to spring a surprise onto). But the targets of the search were not given warning. Eric Trump claims that someone at Mar-A-Lago contacted him when the police arrived, and he then relayed the info to his father, which to me indicates that they were in fact using the element of surprise to help make sure that there was no time to hide the documents and other evidence. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4556 "2023-02-16T21:38:12Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > they were in fact using the element of surprise to help make sure that there was no time to hide the documents and other evidence. Right, you don’t want to give him time to flush ten times. ---
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [February 16, 2023, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4557 "2023-02-16T21:47:53Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > Because it makes Donnie Two-scoops look bad I got the sense the concern was actually the opposite, given the poster’s request to stop using terms the right-wing media is using. In other words, painting it as some sort of government overstep. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4558 "2023-02-17T00:50:17Z")
None of the other ex-presidents who’ve been raided complained. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4559 "2023-02-17T14:31:21Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > which to me indicates that they were in fact using the element of surprise Had they already used fear? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2023, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4560 "2023-02-17T14:38:41Z")
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