# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 239
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4761 "2023-06-01T02:00:32Z")
Just remember when they say “defense” what they mean is “shitty-ass story” ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4762 "2023-06-01T02:39:45Z")
He’s on tape talking about a document (supposedly the paper can be heard rustling) at Bedminster. I would think they now have grounds to fine tooth comb the place. And dig up Ivana while theyre at it. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4763 "2023-06-01T02:46:48Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > From what is in public, I can’t see how he escapes an espionage charge. What points to espionage? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4764 "2023-06-01T04:00:39Z")
Taking top secret government documents with military secrets and trying to use them for your own benefit? Does he actually have to sell military secrets to a foreign power before the R’s care? (Narrator: not even then) ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 12:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4765 "2023-06-01T12:09:39Z")
By for his own benefit, do you mean his ego, or is there evidence he tried to profit from the information? This is a massive issue way before espionage. I’m specifically asking about espionage, not if this is important or that Rs should care. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 12:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4766 "2023-06-01T12:27:06Z")
Interesting poll result: > **[Two in Three Americans Now Believe Trump Committed a Crime](https://navigatorresearch.org/two-in-three-americans-now-believe-trump-committed-a-crime/)** > > Polling data on Americans' views towards Donald Trump, perceptions on whether he committed a crime, and news of his indictment. Whether it will start seeping into voter intention polls is another question. ---
**Author:** ![Mighty\_Mouse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mighty_mouse/32/7776_2.png) [@Mighty\_Mouse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mighty_Mouse)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 12:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4767 "2023-06-01T12:45:21Z")
For the Republicans (and I-am-not-a-Republicans) I deal with in real life, the reaction ranges from “But what about…” to “Those rules were never intended to be applied at that ticky tack level” ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 12:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4768 "2023-06-01T12:57:53Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > What points to espionage **Technically …** > 18 U.S.C. § 793 prohibits the gathering, transmitting, or receipt of defense information with the intent or reason to believe the information will be used against the United States or to the benefit of a foreign nation. Violators are subject to a fine or up to 10 years imprisonment, or both, as are those who conspire to violate the statute. Persons who possess defense information that they have reason to know could be used to harm the national security, whether the access is authorized or unauthorized, and who disclose that information to any person not entitled to receive it, or who fail to surrender the information to an officer of the United States, are subject to the same penalty. IANAL, but: - At least some of these documents clearly seem to be “defense information” - TFG shouldn’t have had it - TFG may very well have shared it with people not authorized to receive or know it - TFG refused to surrender it when properly asked by an appropriate authority ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4769 "2023-06-01T13:03:10Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > By for his own benefit, do you mean his ego, or is there evidence he tried to profit from the information? No evidence points to PAB ever doing ANYTHING without a personal profit motive (which includes ego but mostly money). ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4770 "2023-06-01T13:19:38Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Whether it will start seeping into voter intention polls is another question. Yes, with a different answer I’m sure. “Sure he _technically_ committed a crime (or more) but I’m still voting for him, he’s great!” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4771 "2023-06-01T13:23:27Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > “Sure he _technically_ committed a crime (or more) but I’m still voting for him, he’s great!” I have totally heard a number of variations on this theme already. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 1:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4772 "2023-06-01T13:26:20Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > I’m watching the MSNBC report about this and I think it is kind of funny that they are saying this undercuts Trump’s defense that he can declassify anything as he pleases. That was never a defense to begin with. Trump was clearly just making stuff up and for some reason people keep dignifying his fantasies about how things in the real world actually work. Even with a, uh, I’ll be polite as say baloney, a baloney defense, Trump undercut _that._ Quite frankly, it hurts him, as it’s simply even more evidence making it crystal clear that he understood what he was doing and acting with deliberation. I do agree that it would be nice if so many people didn’t validate Trump’s fantasies by taking them seriously. But then I’ve so often found that the rules of the real world don’t seem to apply to him. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4773 "2023-06-01T13:39:43Z")
I like to read my local tv station’s FB page for the MAGA take on things. One comment: “Tr\_mp, T\_\_\_p, T\_\_\_p but still no word on the current clown in office destroying our Country and all his corruption.” No matter what evidence comes up against their Dear Leader, they’ll deflect onto Biden with no evidence needed. Destroying our country? How? BTW pro tip- people who capitalize “country” are virtually always assholes. All his corruption? What corruption? What is the evidence? You often hear “China Joe” with no indication of what he supposedly did with China. Then of course there’s always “derrrrrrrrp, something something laptop”. For goodness sake, Jack Smith, pull the fucking trigger. You can nail his ass on several felonies right now, no need to wait till you investigate every single crime. Nail that ass now. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 1:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4774 "2023-06-01T13:46:11Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > No matter what evidence comes up against their Dear Leader, they’ll deflect onto Biden with no evidence needed. Destroying our country? How? BTW pro tip- people who capitalize “country” are virtually always assholes. All his corruption? What corruption? What is the evidence? You often hear “China Joe” with no indication of what he supposedly did with China. Then of course there’s always “derrrrrrrrp, something something laptop”. It’s the standard mirror accusation technique - everything that’s wrong with Trump gets projected onto Biden. Trump is corrupt, incoherent, incompetent, sleazy, and heavily indebted to China, so Biden gets accused of all those things. Note that immediately after Trump went and hid in a basement due to a suspected threat, the “Biden hiding in a basement” messages started. ---
**Author:** ![JoePockets](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/8dc957/32.png) [@JoePockets](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JoePockets)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4775 "2023-06-01T14:02:21Z")
What I don’t understand is that so many Americans are devoted to Trump yet he emulates almost everything wrong that human being can aspire to !This a person who is who will Never tell the truth when a lie will save him as guilty as he is! I do not see one once of redeemable value in him or his sons and they would IMHO sell there souls “forget country “ for the right price. If I’ve missed something please educate me to it as I must be missing something. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4776 "2023-06-01T14:14:50Z")
> [@JoePockets](#): > > If I’ve missed something please educate me to it as I must be missing something. Trump is the personification of “rules protect, but do not bind, me”. ---
**Author:** ![smithsb](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smithsb/32/12107_2.png) [@smithsb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/smithsb)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4777 "2023-06-01T14:31:08Z")
He speaks to various pockets of human filth that express or want to express their hatred of other ethnic, religious, social, or government groups. This is the embodiment of the GQP “Big tent of single issue zealots” blueprint for control. It is root of individual\>party\>country outlook in PABs supporters. He hates/hurts all the people they want to hurt or blame for their predicament. He reads the audience well and shifts his attacks/lies based on applause. Unlike the majority of Americans that what to get on with their lives with as little interference as possible; the zealots feed on each others energy amplified by the echo chambers on social media. They get out and dominate the news with an outsized presence. The BIG LIE indeed. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4778 "2023-06-01T14:43:37Z")
> [@smithsb](#): > > He speaks to various pockets of human filth that express or want to express their hatred of other ethnic, religious, social, or government groups. He also legitimizes rude, disrespectful, hateful behavior. Not only does he say and do hateful things, but by doing so, he lowers the level of discourse at all levels of society. People feel more comfortable publicly espousing - and acting upon - their prejudices. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4779 "2023-06-01T15:44:07Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > You can nail his ass on several felonies right now, no need to wait till you investigate every single crime. Nail that ass now. I think/assume/hope he’s using a “How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?” philosophy and making sure every last thing, from the charges themselves down to the grammar is bullet proof as opposed to kicking the can down the road in hopes that he dies before it’s over. This is the guy that will happily be ‘technically correct’ even when it makes him an asshole. Remember when a reporter asked to see the health plan he promised would be ready in ‘two weeks’, to which trump replied “I said a _few_ weeks, I never said how many weeks” like he’s a fucking six year old pulling one over on his teacher. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [June 1, 2023, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/4780 "2023-06-01T15:56:47Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > > [@BobLibDem](#): > > > > You can nail his ass on several felonies right now, no need to wait till you investigate every single crime. Nail that ass now. > > I think/assume/hope he’s using a “How do you shoot the devil in the back? What if you miss?” philosophy and making sure every last thing, from the charges themselves down to the grammar is bullet proof as opposed to kicking the can down the road in hopes that he dies before it’s over. > > This is the guy that will happily be ‘technically correct’ even when it makes him an asshole. Remember when a reporter asked to see the health plan he promised would be ready in ‘two weeks’, to which trump replied “I said a _few_ weeks, I never said how many weeks” like he’s a fucking six year old pulling one over on his teacher. Can you clarify who you’re referring to with “he/him” in your post? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=238) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=240)