# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 260
**Author:** ![flurb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@flurb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/flurb)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5181 "2023-06-09T03:18:17Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > It applies to “any office, civil or military, under the United States”. Not sure why you think the POTUS would be excluded. It’s a legitimate debate. It’s been argued that at the time of the drafting an “officer” of the United States was understood to be appointed positions like cabinet secretaries and ambassadors. It’s also noteworthy that for all of the positions the amendment specifically identifies, it conspicuously omits the President. ---
**Author:** ![leahcim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/b4bc9f/32.png) [@leahcim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/leahcim)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5182 "2023-06-09T03:20:09Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > Adding the ka is apparently a common diminutive in Russian. Hence the “cute” form of water (voda) is “vodka”. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5183 "2023-06-09T03:25:29Z")
Just spotted this while surfing for more news: > **[Trump facing at least 7 charges: Sources](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/live-updates/trump-indictment/trump-facing-at-least-7-charges-sources-99951222?id=99913217)** > > Updates on former President Donald Trump's federal indictment in classified documents investigation. Thing is, this ABC News item specifies the charges: > [@](#): > > -Willful retention of national defense information (maximum penalty if convicted: 10 years) > -Conspiracy to obstruct justice (maximum penalty: 20 years) > -Withholding a document or record (maximum penalty: 20 years) > -Corruptly concealing a document or record (maximum penalty: 20 years) > -Concealing a document in a federal investigation (maximum penalty: 20 years) > -Scheme to conceal (maximum penalty: Five years) > -False statements and representations (maximum penalty: Five years) No idea if these are, in fact, the charges—they could be ABC News’s guess, and I cannot find confirmation elsewhere. But based on what we know, they seem reasonable under the circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5184 "2023-06-09T03:28:28Z")
> [@flurb](#): > > It’s a legitimate debate. I agree, but it doesn’t explicitly exclude the president. I suspect that this would be an issue that would need to go in front of SCOTUS if it comes to it. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5185 "2023-06-09T03:36:38Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > -Willful retention of national defense information (maximum penalty if convicted: 10 years) > -Conspiracy to obstruct justice (maximum penalty: 20 years) > -Withholding a document or record (maximum penalty: 20 years) > -Corruptly concealing a document or record (maximum penalty: 20 years) > -Concealing a document in a federal investigation (maximum penalty: 20 years) > -Scheme to conceal (maximum penalty: Five years) > -False statements and representations (maximum penalty: Five years) Would that be per document and per statement? The mind boggles. 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 3:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5186 "2023-06-09T03:44:19Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The mug shot will not be released to the public – although I wonder how long it will take for it to leak. I seem to recall team trump floating plans to sell swag featuring a mugshot if it were to happen. So I’m going to guess “immediately.” ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5187 "2023-06-09T04:03:32Z")
I don’t think he will be provided with a copy. It’s the property of the DOJ. Which isn’t to say it won’t leak… it probably will, but Trump will have to wait for the leak to happen first. And I agree he’ll try to monetize it if he can. He has no shame. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 4:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5188 "2023-06-09T04:53:12Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > It’s the property of the DOJ. Taking government property is what got him in trouble in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![PatrickLondon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/patricklondon/32/4422_2.png) [@PatrickLondon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PatrickLondon)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5189 "2023-06-09T05:25:11Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Which isn’t to say it won’t leak… it probably will, but Trump will have to wait for the leak to happen first. And I agree he’ll try to monetize it if he can. Cue a copyright case? This one could run and run. ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5190 "2023-06-09T06:06:25Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > The Espionage Act is an overreaching World War I era law that liberals traditionally dislike. Excuse me. If you’re going to shove a hand up my ass to make words come out of my mouth like Charlie McCarthy, do me the courtesy of treating me to dinner and a movie first. Please do not issue blithe statements that liberals do not recognize treason when it occurs. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 8:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5191 "2023-06-09T08:29:07Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > You’re brave than i am! I’d almost expect the rainbow bars with the words “Please Stand By” because they were to busy laughing or weeping to appear on air. Oh, like FoxNews would put a rainbow onscreen… > [@jsc1953](#): > > Over on the “What if Trump quits?” thread I presumed that the Republican candidates would be embarrassed to admit publicly that they would pardon Trump. Boy, was I wrong. To be embarrassed, one must be capable of feeling shame. > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > He’s a first offender. So were the Rosenbergs. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5192 "2023-06-09T11:35:15Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Why does he need to fundraise if he’s going to stiff his lawyers anyway? This is a good point. Also, when Trump actually won the presidency, he did fine despite being outspent 2-1. He only lost when his campaign had the money to bombard Americans with obnoxious TV ads. But the idea that money doesn’t help in politics is a bit extreme, so I thought I would mention fundraising as one way indictment helps Donald. > [@Atamasama](#): > > Note that being convicted of espionage has been deemed in the past to be considered giving aid and comfort to the enemies of the United States, as it led to the exclusion of one person from the House of Representatives 100 years ago. Unlike today, we were in a congressionally declared war. But having the government overrule the decision of the voters was nonetheless a low point for American democracy. > [@Gyrate](#): > > > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > > > He’s a first offender. > > So were the Rosenbergs. And one of them actually did something seriously wrong. When you start accusing people of disloyalty, emotions run high and justice tends to be downgraded. We have somewhat stronger safeguards against injustice than in past centuries, so I’m not seriously worried about Trump being kept off a ballot, or a Democratic loser of a presidential race being certified as the winner. I am more thinking that if Trump can run on the issue of whether people should be allowed to vote for their chosen candiate, and have the winner take office, then Trump gets more votes. One of the best issues to fight Trump on is that he’s a sore loser who opposes using democracy to select the president. I wouldn’t throw that away. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5193 "2023-06-09T11:46:21Z")
_“Think of Donald Trump as an overpriced carnival.”_ - New York Notorious (1992) _“Welcome back my friends, to the show that never ends.”_ - Emerson, Lake and Palmer ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5194 "2023-06-09T12:05:31Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Why does he need to fundraise if he’s going to stiff his lawyers anyway? What’s the earliest we can hope for a trial? It’s no different than setting up a GoFundMe to help your friend after their house burned down and then keeping all the money for yourself. You just want the money and this “cause” is a perfectly good way to trick people into giving it to you. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 12:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5195 "2023-06-09T12:16:07Z")
> [@Spoons](#): > > I’ve wondered that myself. They love to say that he’s so rich that, as President, he didn’t take a salary; instead, he gave it to charity. They say he donated to charity, but I want to see the receipts. The long form receipts. And even if he did, he more than made up by charging the government for his SS hotel rooms, golf cart rentals, meals at his facilities, not to mention all the grift from those trying to get favorable treatment from him. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 12:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5196 "2023-06-09T12:19:00Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > And one of them actually did something seriously wrong. You mean, like giving top secret information away to foreign countries? Conspiring with other countries to commit acts of war against the US? Things like that? ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5197 "2023-06-09T12:56:01Z")
I don’t know if it’s OK to ask for this here. But I have zero photoshop skills. I’d sure love an image of Trump in a prison jumpsuit with prison tats on his arms and face. I’m thinking he’ll join the Latin Kings, because, irony. ---
**Author:** ![Tatterdemalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/43a26b/32.png) [@Tatterdemalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tatterdemalion)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5198 "2023-06-09T12:59:24Z")
> [@Chronos](#): > > You mean, like giving top secret information away to foreign countries? Conspiring with other countries to commit acts of war against the US? Things like that? Are you referring to Nixon (Paris peace talks), Reagan (Iran hostage crisis), or Trump? ---
**Author:** ![ShadowFacts](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shadowfacts/32/2934_2.png) [@ShadowFacts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShadowFacts)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 1:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5199 "2023-06-09T13:00:24Z")
Has anyone seen any updates on the Mark Meadows “immunity for testimony” aspect of this? I haven’t heard a peep about that since the indictment story broke everywhere. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5200 "2023-06-09T13:06:41Z")
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