# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 265
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5281 "2023-06-09T18:40:42Z")
The number of crimes that Trump has admitted to when he knew that he was being recorded, holy shit. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5282 "2023-06-09T18:40:59Z")
attorney 3 is bobb. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5283 "2023-06-09T18:41:58Z")
As I understand it, certain secrets related to the nuclear program are NOT declassifiable by the president, at least not without going through a specific process which involves various agencies. Can anyone confirm this is true? Also, over in MAGALand, they argue that the constitution gives any president absolute authority over classified documents, and as such any such law would be unconstitutional. I’m presuming this is patently untrue, but I’d be interested in opinions on that as well. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5284 "2023-06-09T18:44:08Z")
Classification doesn’t even matter in this case. It’s a red herring. The threshold issue is whether _revealing the information is a threat to national security_. I don’t think there is much question about that. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5285 "2023-06-09T18:44:29Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Who is PAB, please? > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Why, please? [Pussy-Ass Bitch](https://slate.com/human-interest/2023/02/pussy-ass-bitch-trump-chrissy-teigen-congress.html). > It’s now a matter of congressional record that in 2019, the Trump White House tried to pressure Twitter to delete a tweet in which Chrissy Teigen called the president, and I quote, “a pussy ass bitch.” ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5286 "2023-06-09T18:47:54Z")
Sucks to be Waltine Nauta too. He/she if facting up to 90 years for doing Donald’s bidding. Will they get separate trials or are they tried together? ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5287 "2023-06-09T18:48:53Z")
I get what you’re saying, legally. But there’s a political element here as well. And if you lurk on Trumpie-sites, it’s an endless chorus of “Biden had documents too! And he wasn’t even President when he took them” as well as “But he declassified them!” I want to see Trump strung up as much as any of you. But I also recognize that if we don’t convince enough of his supporters that this prosecution is legit, it won’t make things better. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5288 "2023-06-09T18:53:39Z")
Let’s just agree that 30% – a sizeable number, I’m afraid – are a total write-off. Nothing is going to dissuade them from their defense of Trump. It’s sad, but it’s true. I do believe that enough of the remaining 70% are either persuaded or persuadable. We’re in for a very rough ride for awhile. It’s an existential crisis for the country, for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5289 "2023-06-09T18:55:43Z")
> [@EddyTeddyFreddy](#): > > Why, oh, why do the rubes never ask themselves why a billionaire needs their pittances to pay for anything? Never, never, never? For the same reason they never ask why the pastor of their megachurch needs a mansion and a yacht. They’re the common clay of the new west. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5290 "2023-06-09T18:58:50Z")
page 45 states that this case will take 21 days for the parties to try. so it should be rather quick once all the pretrial issues are done. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5291 "2023-06-09T18:58:51Z")
My gut says those numbers are about right. I’ve certainly seen some Trump-supporting relatives decide maybe he wasn’t all that. They still like his policies, but not so much him. If we can convince the 70% then we take a big step back from the existential crisis. If not, then something like 30 or 40% of the country literally thinks the government is illegitimate. That’s dangerous. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5292 "2023-06-09T19:00:31Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > They still like his policies, but not so much him. His what? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5293 "2023-06-09T19:02:10Z")
I saw some poll results this morning that reflected that 82% of Dems and 62% of independents are already onboard. So that’s a good start. (I’m trying to find the poll, but I want to listen to Smith’s presser first.) ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5294 "2023-06-09T19:04:14Z")
they are grooming the room, getting ready. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5295 "2023-06-09T19:06:48Z")
Okay, here we go with Jack Smith. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5296 "2023-06-09T19:06:53Z")
Anti-immigration Anti-elites Anti-LGBTQ “Low Taxes” (for some; but they don’t understand that) Channeling their anger Anti-foreign entanglements (maybe the only one he actually delivered on) Anti-China Anti-globalism He was ineffective and inarticulate, but he did have policies ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5297 "2023-06-09T19:08:27Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > “Biden had documents too! And he wasn’t even President when he took them” as well as “But he declassified them!” He’s not in trouble for taking documents. He’s not in trouble because they were classified. He’s in trouble for keeping them after receiving a subpoena to return them, for lying about having turned everything over when he hadn’t, and for showing national security secrets to people who didn’t have clearance to see them. Not that the great unwashed will ever accept that mountainous distinction. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5298 "2023-06-09T19:09:20Z")
Jack Smith is showing well. I’m glad he spoke slowly and clearly. And briefly. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5299 "2023-06-09T19:10:05Z")
well done, mr smith. clear and direct. called for a speedy trial for the good of the country and the defendant. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5300 "2023-06-09T19:10:18Z")
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