# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/521 "2022-08-11T22:54:28Z")
This is all shining a bit of light on … > The President claimed Americans are flushing their toilets “10 times, 15 times, as opposed to once” Classified documents _will_ put up a fight ! ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/522 "2022-08-11T22:59:32Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > What are your thoughts about how close DOJ may be to an indictment? I’m sure they have to comb through everything they retrieved and match it up to determine if they have all the documents they expected to find. But once that’s accomplished, isn’t their case about ready to go? Wouldn’t it depend on the nature of the indictment? If it’s for mishandling classified documents, yes, I imagine the facts are pretty well established once they’ve searched trump’s property and seized the docs. But if they end up finding evidence to corroborate other crimes, or which opens up other investigations, then I can foresee some additional delay. In my opinion, though, If all of this is just leading to an indictment for poor document storage (even though it’s similar to his haranguing of Clinton for misusing emails, and even though he was the person who signed the law making it a felony), it will fall flat, and Trump will come through relatively unscathed. Unless it’s somehow salacious, I don’t see a trump document scandal being that impactful. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/523 "2022-08-11T23:06:29Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > In my opinion, though, If all of this is just leading to an indictment for poor document storage (even though it’s similar to his haranguing of Clinton for misusing emails, and even though he was the person who signed the law making it a felony), it will fall flat, and Trump will come through relatively unscathed. Thank you. I agree, but I think there are lots more “spokes” that are going to lead to additional indictments having nothing to do with this spoke. I do also believe there’s more to this than just serious mishandling of top secret information – which is bad enough, frankly. I think DOJ has established Trump’s willful intent to retain documents he knew he shouldn’t have. That’s very different than Clinton, and much more serious. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/524 "2022-08-11T23:08:28Z")
> **[An armed suspect who tried to enter the FBI's Cincinnati office is dead after...](https://www.cnn.com/2022/08/11/us/cincinnati-fbi-office-armed-subject/index.html)** > > A law enforcement standoff with a man who attempted to breach the FBI's field office in Cincinnati on Thursday has ended with the suspect dead, according to the Ohio State Highway Patrol. The death toll for Republican-inspired violence is now at 1. ---
**Author:** ![GreysonCarlisle](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a87d85/32.png) [@GreysonCarlisle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreysonCarlisle)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/525 "2022-08-11T23:11:51Z")
It’s lucky that he wasn’t a better shot with that nail-gun. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/526 "2022-08-11T23:13:11Z")
> [@susan](#): > > Now, it’s worth noting that Garland didn’t go full ham on Trump and release the affidavit, which outlines all of the particulars informing the investigation. “Full ham?” Dear lord, this is why i just can’t take cnn seriously as a news organization. This is an actual grown man, a professional journalist, an _editor,_ someone who gets PAID to write about the United States government, using the term “ham” like he’s commenting on a buddy’s Facebook post about getting wasted at the beach yesterday ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/527 "2022-08-11T23:17:14Z")
> [@Happy\_Lendervedder](#): > > “Full ham?” Dear lord, this is why i just can’t take cnn seriously as a news organization. I join your rant, especially since I don’t understand the meaning of the term when used in this context. Never heard that expression before. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/528 "2022-08-11T23:18:51Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > The death toll for Republican-inspired violence is now at 1. Rubio, McCarthy, someone, please step forward and claim your achievement! ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/529 "2022-08-11T23:19:51Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > I’m waiting for the SNL parody commercial advertising the high flush Mar-A-Lago brand toilet, which built-in document shredder. I really hope somebody from SNL sees your post, and turns it into an SNL skit. It would be hilarious! ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/530 "2022-08-11T23:26:19Z")
The term “ham” is a sort of outdated descriptor of an actor who “steals the spotlight” with an overly dramatic and heavy-handed performance. It’s not considered a compliment. I assume that’s the context, unless someone has another theory. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/531 "2022-08-11T23:29:15Z")
I’ll add this one to the possibilities: > **[Urban Dictionary: HAM](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=HAM)** > > A Ham is a burger with no bread. A loser, a peasant, a bum with no motion and no desire or solution to make some money. Whatever you do stay away from Hams they are contagious and NEED a vaccine. > [@](#): > > Used to describe the actions of a person as going hard as a motherfucker, doing the activity with the utmost vigor and determination. > > That fighter went ham in the ring for the win. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/532 "2022-08-11T23:31:04Z")
You’re probably right. It fits better than mine. I’ve never heard that one before, I’m old. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/533 "2022-08-11T23:31:19Z")
For what it’s worth, I’m sticking with my handwritten notes theory. Now I’m not normally of criminal mind, but I’m thinking one might want to write legally sketchy instructions rather than have them transcribed or sent electronically. -Mob type shit. Obviously you would have them destroyed after the message was sent. White House staff are trained to retrieve all documents for the National Archives. -This probably entails some sort of logging system. (also, possible insider). If TFG took them to Florida, the National Archives might have that log and have a legal right to it’s contents. They got all of the transcribed classified docs in June, he gave them up because he had to and because they are easily traceable. The only thing left might be the handwritten docs. -The most savory evidence because Trump thought he could keep them off the record and didn’t believe they belonged to .gov. Could be a real wealth of information there. Because after all, when you’re telling people to do sketchy stuff, some people are going to want to CYA and get it in writing. I don’t think Merrick Garland would put everything on the line if the POTUS authority on de-classification was as grey as it seems. So I’m not buying the Top Secret recovery theory. The pictures I saw of documents that he tried to flush were handwritten. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/534 "2022-08-11T23:49:36Z")
> [@Ssounder](#): > > They got all of the transcribed classified docs in June, he gave them up because he had to and because they are easily traceable. The only thing left might be the handwritten docs. -The most savory evidence because Trump thought he could keep them off the record and didn’t believe they belonged to .gov. > Could be a real wealth of information there. Which leads to the question that’s been asked here before; Why on earth would Trump keep notes like this? Potential blackmail for those who followed his orders? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Lendervedder](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/happy_lendervedder/32/8488_2.png) [@Happy\_Lendervedder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Lendervedder)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/535 "2022-08-11T23:49:47Z")
I’m pretty sure this is what Chris meant in the article. Hard as a motherfucker. Which itself is a ridiculous thing to say in an article, but to use the term “ham?” Good grief ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/536 "2022-08-11T23:52:57Z")
Agree. But speculating that they were in the logs and the message that he was destroying official correspondence was a bad message to the masses. edit: Looks like a coverup. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/537 "2022-08-11T23:54:42Z")
Like Trump cares about “bad messages” to anyone. His loyalists would not even believe he was destroying official correspondence if he did it in front of them at a rally. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/538 "2022-08-11T23:57:36Z")
Not ‘Hard-ass mother-humper’? ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2022, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/539 "2022-08-11T23:58:07Z")
Late edit, but I don’t think a coverup story about destroying official gov docs would be ignored by the masses. It doesn’t look good on your resume. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/540 "2022-08-12T00:00:13Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > You’re probably right. It fits better than mine. I’ve never heard that one before, I’m old. I’ve also never heard it before, but I can imagine “full ham” is a variation on the expression “whole hog”. > **[Definition of GO (THE) WHOLE HOG](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/go%20%28the%29%20whole%20hog)** > > to do something in a very thorough and complete way… See the full definition [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=28)