# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 292
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5821 "2023-06-13T22:33:49Z")
> [@Whack-a-Mole](#): > > I _think_ he is saying they confiscated the boxes and THEN put classified docs in them. …because, of course, no competent lawyer would _ever_ think to take an actual inventory of the boxes prior to turning them over. They’d need months of access to the boxes to pull a stunt like that! ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5822 "2023-06-13T22:34:57Z")
Looks like Walt Nauta is represented by Stanley Woodward. I’m not sure who is paying Woodward’s salary. Where he gets his funding from is a bit… obscure to be polite. Woodward was also the lawyer for Oath Keeper Kelly Meggs (found guilty, sentenced to 12 years) and Ryan Samsel, charged in August for assaulting police at the capital, with 10 or so previous assaults under his belt. If Woodward is a competent lawyer (and articles say that he is), he should advise his client to cooperate at every turn, or he’ll wind up like Kelly Meggs, with 12 years hard time. ---
**Author:** ![OttoDaFe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ottodafe/32/356_2.png) [@OttoDaFe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OttoDaFe)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5823 "2023-06-13T22:35:13Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > So now it’s, “I had a perfect right to declassify, lie, hide and move around many boxes of super secret squirrel documents that the corrupt DOJ planted in my golf club resort over 2 years ago!!!”? > > Yeah. That should work. Not only that, but IIRC when he made that claim he also said he wanted them back. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5824 "2023-06-13T22:41:35Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Where he gets his funding from is a bit… obscure to be polite. CNN was saying that both his and TRump’s lawyers are being paid by a Trump-friendly super PAC. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5825 "2023-06-13T22:50:21Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > If Woodward is a competent lawyer (and articles say that he is), he should advise his client to cooperate at every turn, or he’ll wind up like Kelly Meggs, with 12 years hard time. Here’s a Politico article on Woodward: > **[Meet the legal nerd who MAGA bigwigs are turning to for help](https://www.politico.com/news/2022/11/30/legal-nerd-maga-bigwigs-stanley-woodward-00071385)** > > Stanley Woodward is not a typical Trump-world lawyer. He’s just trying to save their hides in court. ---
**Author:** ![Skypist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skypist/32/169_2.png) [@Skypist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skypist)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5826 "2023-06-13T22:51:27Z")
So, was Loose Cannon there? I haven’t had a chance to see much reporting yet and thought I’d come here first. > [@wolfpup](#): > > And yet, when Reality Winner was accused of a **much lesser charge** under the Espionage Act, she was immediately jailed and held without bail. No word on whether she had travel restrictions imposed on her while in jail. 🙄 So much for “justice for all”. I’m really tired of hearing that trump has to be treated with more deference than other defendants who swiped sensitive government documents because of the office he held. It’s crap. ---
**Author:** ![velomont](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/8491ac/32.png) [@velomont](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/velomont)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5827 "2023-06-13T23:17:59Z")
> [@Skypist](#): > > more deference than other defendants who swiped sensitive government documents because of the office he held. It’s crap And isn’t there sort of a philosophy in western democracies that national leaders are just average citizens who aren’t “special people”? If that’s really the case then should they not be subject to the same crap as the rest of us? ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5828 "2023-06-13T23:22:34Z")
Looks like the max for hauta’s charges would be 18 years and 1.5 million in fines. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5829 "2023-06-13T23:25:31Z")
Judge today was John Goodman. World of hurt. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5830 "2023-06-13T23:27:21Z")
I loved him in The Big Lebowski. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5831 "2023-06-13T23:27:35Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > And yet, when Reality Winner was accused of a **much lesser charge** under the Espionage Act It’s a bit hard to assess “lesser charge” because of a key difference: so far as is known, Trump didn’t disclose anything, just kept the docs in terribly insecure locations and refursed to return them. Winner, on the other hand, did disclose information to an unauthorised inidividual, a reporter with the _Intercept_. Does disclosure make it worse than Trump’s hoarding? Or better, since the purpose was to let the US public know? ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5832 "2023-06-13T23:29:41Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > I loved him in The Big Lebowski. I wonder how often he’ll get to tell Donny to shut the fuck up. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5833 "2023-06-13T23:32:44Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > **so far as is known** , Trump didn’t disclose anything Therein lies the rub. When “unknown,” assume the worst. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5834 "2023-06-13T23:33:46Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Trump didn’t disclose anything He did, though. It’s in the indictment. He showed them to persons not authorized to see them. (Allegedly.) ---
**Author:** ![dirtball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dirtball/32/18772_2.png) [@dirtball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dirtball)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5835 "2023-06-13T23:38:10Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Judge today was John Goodman. World of hurt. THERE ARE RULES! ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5836 "2023-06-14T00:00:41Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Trump didn’t disclose anything, just kept the docs in terribly insecure locations and refursed to return them. Winner, on the other hand, did disclose information to an unauthorised inidividual, a reporter with the _Intercept_. Read the indictment again. He disclosed them to reporters and to a member of his political action committee. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5837 "2023-06-14T00:21:22Z")
And maybe Kid Fucking Rock. No shit. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5838 "2023-06-14T00:21:52Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > And maybe Kid Fucking Rock. I think he’s the PAC member. > **[Kid Rock Says Trump Turned to Him for Advice on How to Handle North Korea](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/kid-rock-tucker-carlson-interview-1325014/)** > > Kid Rock told Tucker Carlson that former President Donald Trump sought his advice about how to handle North Korea. Meanwhile, I have real concerns about trump meddling with witnesses. These pictures, the information- it came from people working in Mar A Lago. It was, I presume, the poor schlubs who had to physically move those heavy fucking boxes from room to room. Is the government taking _any_ measures to protect these people? They will have to, in short order, disclose their names to donald’s legal team. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5839 "2023-06-14T00:27:23Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Something tells me that Trump’s lawyers (those that stay with him) are not going to try this defense in a courtroom. Why? Yes its a lousy defense, but can you come up with a better one? I’m personally curious how they are going to defend the indefensible. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2023, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/5840 "2023-06-14T00:30:24Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > > [@wolfpup](#): > > > > And yet, when Reality Winner was accused of a **much lesser charge** under the Espionage Act > > It’s a bit hard to assess “lesser charge” because of a key difference: so far as is known, Trump didn’t disclose anything, Pertaining to boxes of documents, anyway. > **[Trump revealed intelligence secrets to Russians in Oval Office - officials](https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-trump-russia/trump-revealed-intelligence-secrets-to-russians-in-oval-office-officials-idUSKCN18B2MX/)** > > President Donald Trump disclosed highly classified information to Russia's foreign minister about a planned Islamic State operation, two U.S. officials said on Monday, plunging the White House into another controversy just months into Trump's short... [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=291) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=293)