# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 304
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6061 "2023-06-17T00:28:52Z")
> [@Shoeless](#): > > Defamation… because they told the truth about him? Well, sure. Trump has been involved in around 4,000 legal cases, most of them lawsuits against him, and quite a number of frivolous ones that he’s instigated, such as suing Bill Maher for claiming that Trump’s father was an orangutan. The reason most of us haven’t heard of the defamation suit against CNN is because essentially it is indeed for CNN reporting the news, and so nobody gives a shit about it and it’s likely that Jim Trusty pulled out so as not to be sanctioned for contempt for abusing the justice system. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6062 "2023-06-17T00:29:52Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > But Dwight also subtly bugged a pen, and hears everything through that. Reminds me of a prank I pulled back in the early-'80s. ---
**Author:** ![Moriarty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/moriarty/32/49_2.png) [@Moriarty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Moriarty)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6063 "2023-06-17T00:35:49Z")
> [@wolfpup](#): > > suing Bill Maher for claiming that Trump’s father was an orangutan. Nitpick: donald didn’t sue Bill Maher for saying his father was an orangutan. He sued Maher for breach of contract, because Maher said he would pay donald a million dollars if he could prove his father wasn’t an orangutan, and donald asserted that he had the proof. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6064 "2023-06-17T00:38:34Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > If I ever had a client who told me not to take notes, I wouldn’t be working for that client any longer. Ah! But… What if that client also didn’t pay you? Would that change your mind? ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6065 "2023-06-17T00:42:33Z")
> [@Moriarty](#): > > He sued Maher for breach of contract, because Maher said he would pay donald a million dollars if he could prove his father wasn’t an orangutan, and donald asserted that he had the proof. Yes, thanks for the correction. Thus the moral of the story: Donald Trump: dumb as a bag of hammers, and always keen to exploit any chance to make a buck. [_Narrator: And as usual, Donny failed._] ---
**Author:** ![aurora\_maire](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aurora_maire/32/328_2.png) [@aurora\_maire](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aurora_maire)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6066 "2023-06-17T01:11:24Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The attorneys will need to document each instance where they advised him in a certain way. Lots of contemporaneous notes. Lots. And lots. It’s pretty well known that people he worked with throughout his life would never meet with him alone because he couldn’t be trusted to tell the truth about what was discussed. Hopefully, the lhese lawyers are following that precedent. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6067 "2023-06-17T01:15:48Z")
Some here will have heartburn with the more-lenient-then-normal treatment documented here - although I think it justified: [In Trump Prosecution, Special Counsel Seeks to Avoid Distracting Fights](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/in-trump-prosecution-special-counsel-seeks-to-avoid-distracting-fights/ar-AA1cDJm5?ocid=winp2fptaskbar&li=BBnb7Kz) > [@](#): > > Jack Smith, the special counsel overseeing the prosecution for the department, opted not to request conditions routinely imposed on other defendants seeking to be released from custody, like cash bail, limits on domestic travel or turning in his passport. > > But Judge Goodman, tasked with hashing out a bond agreement during a one-day cameo appearance on the case, was not entirely on board. He suggested that Mr. Trump be compelled to “avoid all contact with co-defendants, victims and witnesses except through counsel.” Mr. Smith’s deputy, David Harbach, joined Mr. Trump’s lawyers in opposing that idea — but the judge imposed a version of it anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6068 "2023-06-17T01:24:17Z")
Another possibility is that they had an pre-trial interview with him and found out that he wasn’t willing to give the expert opinion they wanted him to (i.e. lie) ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6069 "2023-06-17T01:24:41Z")
The actual proposed order seems to be cover only **non-classified discovery**. Here’s a link to the [Motion and Proposed Order](https://www.lawfareblog.com/justice-department-submits-protective-order-mar-lago-case). I only skimmed it, but not sure we’ve got an Order on the classified stuff, yet as the article suggests. The proposed order defines discovery materials as “all non-classified discovery”. With the classified stuff, I’d expect something “invoking” CIPA, or if not going the CIPA, lots more explicit language about classified documents. Anyways, my point here is about Orders generally…Judge Cannon and Trump are probably at the peak of the “relationship” (based on previous rulings Cannon seems to favor him). Right. Soon there will be Orders from the Court that says Trump can’t do stuff. Trump will violate those Orders. Cannon will tolerate more than most, but eventually, like everyone in Trump’s orbit, relationships get worse, never better. Maybe this is wishful thinking, but I’d like to think she wants to project she’s in charge of her Court and won’t tolerate blatant violations of her Orders. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6070 "2023-06-17T01:45:00Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Cannon will tolerate more than most, but eventually, like everyone in Trump’s orbit, relationships get worse, never better… Interesting. She may be under the illusion at this point that if she treats him well, fairly, and even (gag) respectfully, that he will respond in kind with reasonable, mature behavior. Bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! 🤣 Seriously, we’ve all known people (usually women) who believe that _they_ can 1) get through to, 2) manage, 3) bring into line the PITA guy that no one else can handle. That they have the gift and/or Magic Touch. > [@CoolHandCox](#): > > …she’s in charge of her Court and won’t tolerate blatant violations of her Orders. I predict things will rapidly go in this direction. ---
**Author:** ![JKellyMap](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jkellymap/32/15880_2.png) [@JKellyMap](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JKellyMap)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6071 "2023-06-17T01:57:22Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > I predict things will rapidly go in this direction Yeah, only Trump could piss off a Trumpy judge that (to a degree) holds his life in his hands. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 2:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6072 "2023-06-17T02:34:21Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Cannon will tolerate more than most, but eventually, like everyone in Trump’s orbit, relationships get worse, never better. In otherwords she will soon become a “nasty incompetant hateful biased so called ‘judge’ who has no business being on the bench” (ignoring the fact that it was Trump who put her there). ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6073 "2023-06-17T02:55:01Z")
And probably _before_ she makes any serious rulings against him. That’s why the question of whether any regard or respect or favoritism towards him can survive an entire trial’s worth of whining, immaturity, defiance, and insults is a good one. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6074 "2023-06-17T03:18:25Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > So, that could mean almost anything, including “he won’t listen to our advice” or “he doesn’t way to pay our retainer.” I feel like “six of one, half a dozen of the other” doesn’t quite cut it here. This is more “twelve of one, a full dozen of the other”. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6075 "2023-06-17T03:36:29Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Because guaranteed, one of his issues on appeal will be ineffective assistance of counsel. There’s no grounds for appeal due to ineffective assistance of client? ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6076 "2023-06-17T03:49:53Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > . I had not heard of this case. Hardly surprising. Do you know how many lawsuits Trump has been involved in? [A count](https://youtu.be/abh00vu1mVA?t=29) And that was 7 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![slicedalone](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slicedalone/32/12515_2.png) [@slicedalone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slicedalone)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 7:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6077 "2023-06-17T07:46:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > > [@CoolHandCox](#): > > > > …she’s in charge of her Court and won’t tolerate blatant violations of her Orders. > > I predict things will rapidly go in this direction. I predict rather confidently that things will go in the opposite direction. He won’t violate her orders, much less violently, because his best chance of beating this rap is her warm gushy feelings towards him at sentencing. ---
**Author:** ![Stratocaster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/stratocaster/32/16393_2.png) [@Stratocaster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stratocaster)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 10:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6078 "2023-06-17T10:11:55Z")
> [@slicedalone](#): > > I predict rather confidently that things will go in the opposite direction. He won’t violate her orders, much less violently, because his best chance of beating this rap is her warm gushy feelings towards him at sentencing. Apparently you haven’t met the guy. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 10:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6079 "2023-06-17T10:29:28Z")
> [@slicedalone](#): > > I predict rather confidently that things will go in the opposite direction. He won’t violate her orders, much less violently, because his best chance of beating this rap is her warm gushy feelings towards him at sentencing. I guarantee you that there is absolutely no possibility in Loser Donald’s mind that he will be found guilty. He fully expects that on the day of the verdict, the foreman will stand up, with tears in his eyes, and declare him to be the most innocent man who ever lived, and then the entire gallery will burst out in applause and cheers as the jury lifts him up on their shoulders and carries him out of the courtroom while singing “For He’s A Jolly Good Fellow”. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2023, 10:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/6080 "2023-06-17T10:31:16Z")
Trump lawyer Alina Habba thinks she gets to do discovery depositions of government witnesses. That happens in civil lawsuits, but that’s not a thing in criminal cases. Defense attorneys get to cross-examine witnesses at trial. There are no pre-trial discovery depositions in criminal trials. Trump is in deep, deep shit. [https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1669862119284645890?t=wnD3Z5zZ2mvn7q1st-362g&s=19](https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1669862119284645890?t=wnD3Z5zZ2mvn7q1st-362g&s=19) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=303) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=305)