# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/661 "2022-08-12T13:52:25Z")
Their base might not care, but we’ve learned the courts do and have made it very clear they won’t be dragged into it. Did Giuliani get his license back? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 1:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/662 "2022-08-12T13:54:05Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > Or is the idea that now Trump’s supporters will finally see the truth about their hero? I wouldn’t hold your breath on that one. I actually believe that he will lose key enablers such as Fox News and congress critters if it turns out he was holding onto to nuclear documents after leaving office. His die hard supporters will then lose the voices in actual power that egg them on and they could go back to being a silent disgruntled, disorganized mass of people again. This could be the wedge. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/663 "2022-08-12T14:02:17Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > And he’s tried, convicted and sentenced to 50 years. 45 years. I doubt he’d make the connection though… ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/664 "2022-08-12T14:05:51Z")
Not just nuclear info. There is also talk about signals intelligence. > **[‘Signals intel’ at Mar-a-Lago makes Trump’s scandal look so much worse: experts](https://www.rawstory.com/trump-mar-a-lago-signals-intelligence/)** > > While the world was shocked after The Washington Post dropped the bombshell report that the FBI was searching Mar-a-Lago for nuclear weapons documents, some national security experts were also shocked that "signals intelligence" was recovered from... ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/665 "2022-08-12T14:06:46Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > The MAGAts need to get their narratives straight. If there was a rat, it means there was something there to rat on. That would seem to conflict with the “planted it” scenario. The contradiction will not bother them. Whichever story starts gaining the most traction is the one they’ll go with. ---
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/666 "2022-08-12T14:09:53Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > The contradiction will not bother them. Whichever story starts gaining the most traction is the one they’ll go with. You know how depressing this is to read? You’re not even really expressing an opinion here or even making a prediction. More like merely stating a fact based on a pattern that’s played out a 100 times before. ---
**Author:** ![OldOlds](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/a3d4f5/32.png) [@OldOlds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/OldOlds)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/667 "2022-08-12T14:20:28Z")
It is my understanding that 1. Trump (or his attorney) was provided a copy of the warrant and that 2. the sealing order does not apply to Trump and he can release the warrant any time he wants. Over on Trump-Website Land, the claim is that 1. He was never given a copy and 2. the sealing order DOES apply to Trump. I’ve been unsuccessful, so does anyone have a link that answers these questions one way or another? ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/668 "2022-08-12T14:20:53Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > I actually believe that he will lose key enablers such as Fox News and congress critters if it turns out he … … actually blackmailed Ukraine. … mishandles pandemic response. … refuses to accept election results. … incites a mob to storm the Capitol. > [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > … was holding onto to nuclear documents after leaving office. Not trying to single you out – I’ve thought all these things myself. It never turns out to be true. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/669 "2022-08-12T14:25:43Z")
Signal Intelligence is **how** we gather our intelligence, right? ---
**Author:** ![Dahnlor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dahnlor/32/533_2.png) [@Dahnlor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dahnlor)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/670 "2022-08-12T14:31:55Z")
I believe Signal Intelligence is what has been gathered via intercepted communications. Not specifically “how” intelligence is gathered so much as information that could only have been gathered in a particular manner. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/671 "2022-08-12T14:32:32Z")
“Shit, why didn’t _we_ think about running for President?” [![Imgur](https://live.staticflickr.com/65535/52279835662_ffa1538068_b.jpg "20220812\_092708") ](https://www.flickr.com/photos/68782016@N08/52279835662/) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/672 "2022-08-12T14:35:18Z")
It can refer to both. Sigint can be the intelligence itself or the process of acquiring it (which would include staff, methods, organization, etc). For example, I know somebody who worked SIGINT on a naval vessel. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/673 "2022-08-12T14:37:39Z")
But that could allow “Them” to figure out and possibly eliminate our assets, which would be BadTM. ---
**Author:** ![steronz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steronz/32/11765_2.png) [@steronz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/steronz)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/674 "2022-08-12T14:40:18Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > It is my understanding that 1. Trump (or his attorney) was provided a copy of the warrant and that 2. the sealing order does not apply to Trump and he can release the warrant any time he wants. > > Over on Trump-Website Land, the claim is that 1. He was never given a copy and 2. the sealing order DOES apply to Trump. > > I’ve been unsuccessful, so does anyone have a link that answers these questions one way or another? I think “you can’t reason someone out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into.” applies here. These are the same people who believed that Trump couldn’t release his tax returns because he was under audit despite literally everyone from the IRS on down saying that wasn’t true. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/675 "2022-08-12T14:45:36Z")
> [@OldOlds](#): > > Over on Trump-Website Land, the claim is that 1. He was never given a copy and 2. the sealing order DOES apply to Trump. > > I’ve been unsuccessful, so does anyone have a link that answers these questions one way or another? With respect to question 1, see the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure, Rule 41: Search and Seizure: > [@](#): > > **41** (f)(C) _Receipt._ The officer executing the warrant must give a copy of the warrant and a receipt for the property taken to the person from whom, or from whose premises, the property was taken or leave a copy of the warrant and receipt at the place where the officer took the property. Of course, that’s probably just the Deep State Fake Rules, that don’t really apply to the federal Jack-booted thugs, but are put up on a website to deceive the sheeple. 🤫 > **[Rule 41. Search and Seizure](https://www.law.cornell.edu/rules/frcrmp/rule_41)** ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/676 "2022-08-12T14:52:54Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > … actually blackmailed Ukraine. > … mishandles pandemic response. > … refuses to accept election results. > … incites a mob to storm the Capitol. All those are things that happen to other people. Other than catching Covid, none of those things are going to impact a fox news host in any real way. Hopefully they’re smart enough to understand that [hopefully hyperbolic example] a nuke landing in New York doesn’t care whether or not you’ve pledged allegiance to trump. ---
**Author:** ![MikeF](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@MikeF](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MikeF)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/677 "2022-08-12T14:53:32Z")
Note that Northern Piper’s response does not mention that the “target” of the search warrant is prohibited, in any way, from releasing the warrant or inventory. That’s because there is no such prohibition. Rules don’t normally say what _is_ allowed but rather what _isn’t_. if it doesn’t say you can’t do it, you can. ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/678 "2022-08-12T15:02:08Z")
delete ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/679 "2022-08-12T15:14:06Z")
That is right! I had forgotten about the big ordeal when we agreed to sell or somehow provide Australia with know how on nuclear powered subs. If it is weapons OR power plants – HUGE security breach. I am back to wanting the SOB in an orange jumpsuit shuffling into court with shackles and handcuffs. Not that it is likely to happen-- but it is the only logical conclusion to this series of events. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/680 "2022-08-12T15:15:23Z")
Stolen from Twitter this morning, after **Espionage** was trending. _It’s only **espionage** if it comes from the **Espionage** region of France. Otherwise, it’s “sparkling treason”._ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=35)