# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 360
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7181 "2023-08-10T21:00:53Z")
> [@simster](#): > > THe irony is deep in these folks. It’s like being accused of assaulting someone, so you demand to be allowed to question them alone in a room with no witnesses or recording devices. ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7182 "2023-08-10T21:02:44Z")
If he thinks traveling to view these documents is a hassle, imagine if he was behind bars, like he should be. What is it they need to do with these documents, anyway- authenticate their existence? ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7183 "2023-08-10T21:06:12Z")
Your honor - the accused seeks the court’s permission to continue doing what they have been accused of. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7184 "2023-08-10T21:18:00Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Let’s see if Cannon figures out she has no authority to order any such thing. Personally, I hope she doesn’t, because it just adds to the basis for her disqualification from hearing this case. Perhaps Judge Cannon would like to order that Trump has the right to sell any classified evidence to Iran or North Korea, because it’s his First Amendment right to do what he wants with them. Why not just go all in. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 9:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7185 "2023-08-10T21:24:13Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > What are the chances that Trump is bribing her Zero. Bribery requires payment. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7186 "2023-08-10T21:27:43Z")
Well, he could be asking for “this” and promising “that” in the future (with no intention of ever living up to the bargain) It always astounds me that there are still folks who think that Trump will honor his part of the _quid pro quo_. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7187 "2023-08-10T21:31:42Z")
The filing for a SCIF puts paid to the arguments that the documents were secure, doesn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7188 "2023-08-10T21:37:12Z")
It’s entitled and presumptuous, but not entirely crazy, in my opinion. If they reinstated the SCIF at Mar-a-Lago, however that is done, I’d think he was definitely getting special treatment but i wouldn’t think it was corrupt beyond the pale for the judge to give in to the request, you know? As long as that’s not the first in a long string of entitled and presumptuous rulings in his favor. There has to be a line, and i think this is skirting right up to the edge of it. Aaaaannnd, yeah, now I see the problem… ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7189 "2023-08-10T21:52:53Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > If they reinstated the SCIF at Mar-a-Lago… Who would pay for it? The government has SCIFs specifically for this purpose, so ISTM that Trump would have to pay for it if he wants a SCIF at the scene of the crime. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7190 "2023-08-10T22:00:03Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Carlos De Oliveira still doesn’t have a local lawyer. There was something on the local news (paraphrasing) “They have identified local council but have not secured it” i.e. “They want HOW MUCH?” ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7191 "2023-08-10T22:04:38Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > “They want HOW MUCH?” IN ADVANCE??? Smiles all around. ---
**Author:** ![dtilque](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/d6d6ee/32.png) [@dtilque](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dtilque)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7192 "2023-08-10T22:21:52Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > local council Counsel. I normally don’t do spelling corrections, but I’ve seen this way too often in the past few days on these Trump-related threads. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7193 "2023-08-10T23:38:06Z")
His lawyer fund is running low. More so if Jack Smith seizes it. > **["Might have to give those millions back": Legal experts say Jack Smith could...](https://www.salon.com/2023/08/09/might-have-to-give-those-millions-back-legal-experts-say-jack-smith-could-seize-pac-cash/)** > > Smith's team is reportedly still investigating the former president's post-election fundraising scheme. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7194 "2023-08-10T23:40:20Z")
I admit I have mixed feelings about the asset seizure/forfeiture laws and believe they should be reviewed and made more nuanced… but in this case, I heartily endorse the practice. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 10, 2023, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7195 "2023-08-10T23:45:10Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > [https://www.salon.com/2023/08/09/might-have-to-give-those-millions-back-legal-experts-say-jack-smith-could-seize-pac-cash/](https://www.salon.com/2023/08/09/might-have-to-give-those-millions-back-legal-experts-say-jack-smith-could-seize-pac-cash/) I feel like if there’s any two things in the world that are almost entirely free to act with legal impunity, it’s lawyers and PACs. If Trump’s PACs can suffer criminal consequences, that will have been quite the accomplishment to have been able to get both of those over the line. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7196 "2023-08-11T00:01:42Z")
Here are the videos, one has him discussing trial in the media and how one prosecutes political crimes. > **[Jack Smith could send Trump to prison: See rare footage of him in action](https://www.msnbc.com/the-beat-with-ari/watch/jack-smith-could-send-trump-to-prison-see-rare-footage-of-him-in-action-190588997980)** > > Before indicting Donald Trump, Jack Smith led war crimes trials. In this special report, MSNBC Chief Legal Correspondent Ari Melber Ari breaks down Smith’s trial record with rare footage. (Check out The Beat's playlist: https://msnbc.com/ari Connect... ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7197 "2023-08-11T00:39:30Z")
From the Salon article: > [@](#): > > “This isn’t over yet,"Frank Figliuzzi, a former senior FBI official. “When you raise millions based on a fraudulent claim, you’ve committed a crime. And, you just might have to give those millions back.” Republicans — Trump for sure — have commonly raised funds based on lies about donation matching and/or phony deadlines. Why hasn’t this been enforced before? See: > **[Opinion | Politicians are scamming you with this email trick](https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/06/28/tim-griffin-political-donation-matching-00103804)** > > Those promises of a 200 percent, 300 percent or 1500 percent match on small donations are virtually never true. Surprisingly, it may be that DeSantis is innocent here: [DeSantis’s Striking, Risky Strategy: Not Trying to Trick Small Donors](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/07/11/us/politics/desantis-donations-trump.html) A bit funny that the New York Times headline, immediately above, says the risky strategy is to not defraud your supporters. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7198 "2023-08-11T01:04:48Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > A bit funny that the New York Times headline, immediately above, says the risky strategy is to not defraud your supporters. Sure, in the same way that there is a downside to everything. It’s just like lying in general; of course lying is a bad habit to get into and a general propensity toward honesty is more likely to lead to a stable life with less drama, but there are many situations where telling the truth can get you in hot water. Just ask anyone married. Getting back to the subject of fraudulent donation requests, I don’t think it’s as simple as claiming something that’s untrue. I believe fraud is more complicated than that. Politicians lie all the time, or at least mislead people, and if every time you said something untrue when asking for money you were guilty of fraud, we just don’t have the infrastructure in place to handle all of that prosecution. I am sure there has to be more than that. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 1:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7199 "2023-08-11T01:06:59Z")
From what I read in the article - it was potentially about how the two seperate PACs were moving money between themselves and the timing thereof. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2023, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7200 "2023-08-11T01:14:14Z")
Okay, yes, I’ve heard that coordination between the PACs was what was egregious in this case, and one reason why they weren’t going to dismiss this as “business as usual”. Ah, here is the article I read before. > **[Donald Trump PAC broke campaign finance laws—Former FEC attorney](https://www.newsweek.com/donald-trump-pac-40million-save-america-legal-fees-1816552)** > > Adav Noti has questioned the legality of Save America requesting millions be returned from a pro-Trump Super PAC to cover the former president's legal fees. Also, I have to say, it’s not a good look when you are trying to defend yourself from allegations of fraud, and your official spokesperson is using playground taunts and mocking nicknames in your statements. Sure, the die-hard Trumpers will high-five each other as Trump “sticks it to the libs” but those aren’t the people that he needs to convince. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=359) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=361)