# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 366
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7301 "2023-08-22T23:21:11Z")
Woodward says an easy way to avoid a conflict of interest is simply to never call Defendant 4 for testimony against trump. Easy peasy. From the above linked Politico article: > Harbach dismissed a suggestion by Woodward in an earlier filing that one way to address any alleged conflict would be for the government not to call Taveras at any trial in the documents case. > > “The Government is unaware of one, in which a court has excluded evidence to avoid a conflict on facts remotely similar to this case, where the Government put Mr. Woodward on notice long ago about potential conflicts,” Harbach wrote, “and he is now seeking to affirmatively use those conflicts to gain a tactical advantage at trial by excluding highly incriminating evidence to the benefit of not only his own client but also a co-defendant [Trump] whose PAC is paying his legal fees.” I can’t see any way Cannon can avoid a Garcia hearing after all this has come out. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7302 "2023-08-22T23:21:49Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > But I’m going to respect @Aspenglow’s request and forget she ever hinted at something so speculative. Thank you. Consider that I mod-noted myself for it. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2023, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7303 "2023-08-22T23:23:56Z")
I am fairly certain that she’s just incompetent. I see many people assuming that she’s in the bag for Trump because he appointed her, but he appointed a number of judges who have ruled against him, sometimes harshly. They owe him nothing and have absolutely nothing to gain by fudging things in his favor, and everything to lose if they get caught doing it. (It’s not like he can take back the appointment or anything.) In addition, she’s pretty inexperienced. To me it explains all of the screw-ups. She might be a bit biased in his favor, which would explain why the mistakes favor him, but that’s different from being totally corrupt and doing everything she can to help him. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7304 "2023-08-23T00:06:56Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > In addition, she’s pretty inexperienced. To me it explains all of the screw-ups. She might be a bit biased in his favor, which would explain why the mistakes favor him, but that’s different from being totally corrupt and doing everything she can to help him. She was, according to her Wikipedia page: a clerk for a judge for a year, a practicing lawyer for 3 years, and a Federal prosecutor for over 6 years. Is it common for someone with several years’ experience in court to make such rookie mistakes as a judge? I’d make worse mistakes, but I’ve never been in court, or to law school. I’m sure it’s a step up from prosecutor to judge, but the legal reviews of her rulings in the documents cases are pretty scathing. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7305 "2023-08-23T00:19:51Z")
> [@Typo\_Knig](#): > > a clerk for a judge for a year, a practicing lawyer for 3 years, and a Federal prosecutor for over 6 years. This doesn’t strike me as a ton of experience. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7306 "2023-08-23T00:20:40Z")
Agreed. Her rulings to date argue strongly for something more than mere “inexperience.” She has repeatedly shown bias toward Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7307 "2023-08-23T00:23:32Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > This doesn’t strike me as a ton of experience. It’s more than enough to know that you don’t disclose the fact of ongoing grand jury proceedings in your minute orders. Which she did very recently. It’s more than enough to know that when the circuit court for your district gives you a hard slap, you don’t double down and repeat the mistake. Which she did less recently. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7308 "2023-08-23T00:36:23Z")
True. Even we lay people/non-lawyers know stuff like that. It doesn’t excuse her, but clerk for one year, practicing for three? Hell, my “experience” from watching every single episode of Law & Order at least twice (I own the boxed set) equates to more experience than that. And handling a case of this magnitude? Not good. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7309 "2023-08-23T00:48:53Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > Taveras says you need to contact IT guy at Trump Org I find it humorous that his security system was so locked down his head IT at Mar A Lago didn’t have permission to delete shit. ---
**Author:** ![Ponderoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponderoid/32/19221_2.png) [@Ponderoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponderoid)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7310 "2023-08-23T01:07:16Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > I find it humorous that his security system was so locked down his head IT at Mar A Lago didn’t have permission to delete shit. Or he wasn’t willing to do it or at least knew he shouldn’t be caught doing it, but also knew if he outright refused for any reason, he’d get fired, so he lied about what privs he had (very easy to lie to non-technical people about such things) and thus passed the buck. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 1:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7311 "2023-08-23T01:11:51Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > I find it humorous that his security system was so locked down his head IT at Mar A Lago didn’t have permission to delete shit. Not me. Mar A Lago is just one location belonging to a longer organization, I expect. When the IT guy said he didn’t have permissions, that might have been legitimate. I’m an IT guy for a few field offices right now, and I’m fairly limited in what I can do with anything server-related. That’s a whole WAN/network group that manages it for the organization as a whole. What the guy is quoted as saying sounds exactly like something I’ve said countless times, both where I work and other jobs. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7312 "2023-08-23T01:19:49Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > It doesn’t excuse her, but clerk for one year, practicing for three? Plus six years practising as a federal prosecutor. Still, I think that’s a pretty thin resume for a federal district court. One experienced appellate judge I know (now retired) said the rule of thumb is that it takes six years on the bench to make a good judge. Sidebar please, for a non-USian lawyer: What is a “Garcia hearing” as referred to above? ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 1:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7313 "2023-08-23T01:23:46Z")
Cannon has made serious blunders recently in a trial that had nothing to do with Trump. > **[Aileen Cannon, the judge in the Trump documents case, made multiple errors in...](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/aileen-cannon-judge-trump-documents-case-made-multiple-errors-earlier-rcna98207)** > > One of the errors violated a fundamental constitutional right of the defendant and could have invalidated the proceedings, according to legal experts and a court transcript. Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 1:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7314 "2023-08-23T01:25:33Z")
For the piper. It is a hearing to be sure that defendants that are represented by the same attorney understand the risk of conflict of interest. us vs Garcia is the case that started this practice. Rather like the Miranda case started having your right read out. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7315 "2023-08-23T01:34:06Z")
Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7316 "2023-08-23T01:49:19Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Never ascribe to malice what can be explained by incompetence. I’d still like to see the over/under on her referring to Loser Donald as “my client”. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Knig](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/cdc98d/32.png) [@Typo\_Knig](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Knig)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7317 "2023-08-23T01:54:18Z")
Thanks for the replies. In my inexperience I’d assumed it was less of a stretch from prosecutor to judge than it is. Good to know. ---
**Author:** ![dougrb](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/76d3ee/32.png) [@dougrb](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dougrb)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7318 "2023-08-23T02:10:56Z")
> [@Atamasama](#): > > Not me. I found it homorous because any respectable genius would be aware of that shit before hand. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7319 "2023-08-23T02:22:15Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > It is a hearing to be sure that defendants that are represented by the same attorney understand the risk of conflict of interest. Sort of like: “You realize that the lawyer you have also represents your boss? And your boss and his lawyer are going to throw you under the bus and make you the fall guy for all his criming? You OK with that?” ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2023, 2:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7320 "2023-08-23T02:23:34Z")
> [@dougrb](#): > > I found it homorous “Homorous” A thing that reminds you of what Homer Simpson would do. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=365) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=367)