# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 373
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7441 "2023-09-13T20:54:16Z")
> [@Pleonast](#): > > The executive branch has absolute discretion on access to materials classified by executive order. I think you’re misunderstanding my objection. As I said upthread, Trump has an absolute right to review any evidence being used to convict him. The executive branch, via Jack Smith and his team, understand this. It’s a non-issue here. He will see it and he’s entitled to see it. It’s the proposed accommodation by Trump that the government build or recommission a SCIF at Mar-A-Lago that’s chapping my hide. He can review the stuff in an already-built SCIF somewhere not on his personal premises. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7442 "2023-09-13T21:04:17Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > It’s the proposed accommodation by Trump that the government build or recommission a SCIF at Mar-A-Lago I believe he is entitled to building or recommissioning a SCIF at Mar-a-Lago… at his own expense. I believe the government has no obligation to pay for it. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7443 "2023-09-13T21:05:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I believe he is entitled to building or recommissioning a SCIF at Mar-a-Lago Cite? ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7444 "2023-09-13T21:06:27Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Courtesy of @JohnT, there is a statement on Twitter purported to be issued by Trump stating his residence is being searched by the FBI: > > [https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1556776115158585346?t=C9qdiOcTYoxJm\_Zx5z5MEA&s=19](https://twitter.com/W7VOA/status/1556776115158585346?t=C9qdiOcTYoxJm_Zx5z5MEA&s=19) > > This is huge. I note he was treated exactly the same as any other target of a warrant. Personally, I’m so glad to see it. > > The only surprise to me is that it has happened so soon.   Understood, but I think you missed my point. The judge cannot impose Trump’s request for a SCIF. It’s literally impossible, because certifying a SCIF is within the absolute discretion of the executive branch. And it’s also within the executive’s discretion who can see information that they’ve classified. That doesn’t deny Trump’s right to see the evidence against him, but the only remedy the judge can impose is excluding the classified evidence from the trial. That remedy may be enough that the executive branch uses its discretion in particular ways, yet it wouldn’t be on the judge’s orders, but only to avoid the sanctions. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7445 "2023-09-13T21:07:55Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > > [@Aspenglow](#): > > > > It’s the proposed accommodation by Trump that the government build or recommission a SCIF at Mar-A-Lago > > I believe he is entitled to building or recommissioning a SCIF at Mar-a-Lago… at his own expense. I believe the government has no obligation to pay for it. Literally no one except the President is entitled to a SCIF. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7446 "2023-09-13T21:08:21Z")
Ah, ok. I did misunderstand _your_ point. So just to make sure I’m crystal clear on what you’re saying: Aileen Cannon can’t grant Trump’s request even if she wants to. Do I have it right now? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7447 "2023-09-13T21:08:34Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Cite? Belief. I could build a SCIF at my house if I wanted to. (Of course even if it is 100% compliant, it would still have to be certified by the controlling agency.) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7448 "2023-09-13T21:10:45Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Ah, ok. I did misunderstand _your_ point. > > So just to make sure I’m crystal clear on what you’re saying: Aileen Cannon can’t grant Trump’s request even if she wants to. Do I have it right now? Correct. She can order the executive to do or else have the evidence excluded. And they can pick their poison, but it’s completely their choice. (Also, they can appeal to a higher court.) ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7449 "2023-09-13T21:11:58Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > I could build a SCIF at my house if I wanted to. (Of course even if it is 100% compliant, it would still have to be certified by the controlling agency.) It’s not a SCIF until it’s certified. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [September 13, 2023, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7450 "2023-09-13T21:12:40Z")
Ok. Well, since Cannon apparently didn’t address this concern in her order at all, speculation about how it’s going to unfold is probably premature. Thanks for clarifying your meaning. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7451 "2023-09-14T02:45:39Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > So it could actually have been the bathroom? SCIF: Something Classified I Flushed ---
**Author:** ![Peter\_Morris](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/peter_morris/32/359_2.png) [@Peter\_Morris](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peter_Morris)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 6:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7452 "2023-09-14T06:30:53Z")
Why would they need to build a new SCIF? There are SCIFs in existence, aren’t there? Why not use one that already exists? Let Trump travel to the Pentagon to review the documents. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 9:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7453 "2023-09-14T09:37:39Z")
And then don’t let him back out. Just let him wander the halls for a few years. ---
**Author:** ![EddyTeddyFreddy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eddyteddyfreddy/32/18796_2.png) [@EddyTeddyFreddy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EddyTeddyFreddy)\ **Post date:** [September 14, 2023, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7454 "2023-09-14T18:10:56Z")
Maybe hire a few big. strong guys, lots of muscles, in Space Force uniforms to come up to him with tears in their eyes… Would distract him from bothering the folks actually working there. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 3:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7455 "2023-09-15T03:24:03Z")
> **[Legal Experts Have A Field Day With Trump's Megyn Kelly Interview](https://www.yahoo.com/news/legal-experts-field-day-trumps-231951955.html/)** > > The former president thought he was speaking his truth, but some thought it sounded more like a confession. > “I’m allowed to take these documents, classified or not classified,” he told Kelly. “And frankly, when I have them, they become unclassified. People think you have to go through a ritual. You don’t — at least in my opinion, you don’t.” Yet another confession! [Note to Trump: Your opinion doesn’t change the ~~ritual~~ law.] ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 3:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7456 "2023-09-15T03:29:09Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Yet another confession! > > > Republican Accountability @AccountableGOP ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 3:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7457 "2023-09-15T03:31:51Z")
This is why he can’t have nice lawyers. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7458 "2023-09-15T03:53:25Z")
You misspelled competent. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [September 15, 2023, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7459 "2023-09-15T13:01:22Z")
i believe there should be a ritual. perhaps that would stick in people’s memory. did you hear the kazoo, witness the declassified dance, sign with the sacred writing instrument? defendant 1 does seem to think saying certain words and phrases create reality. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7460 "2023-09-17T17:00:46Z")
As does a too-large percentage of the general population e.g. SovCits. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=372) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=374)