# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 375
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7481 "2023-10-05T21:16:18Z")
Here’s a link to the story that doesn’t require going through X (formerly Twitter): > **[Trump allegedly discussed US nuclear subs with foreign national after leaving...](https://abcnews.go.com/US/after-white-house-trump-allegedly-discussed-potentially-sensitive/story?id=103760456)** > > Months after leaving office, former President Trump allegedly discussed potentially sensitive info about U.S. nuclear subs with an Australian billionaire, say sources. I see this allegedly occurred at Mar-A-Lago, so any new charges will probably be filed in Florida – though not necessarily as a superseding indictment. Could be a new case altogether. I do hope so. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7482 "2023-10-05T21:27:12Z")
It reminds me of Kid Rock and those maps of North Korea. “Am I supposed to be in on this shit?“ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2023, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7483 "2023-10-05T22:30:08Z")
Thinking of this bit of 2018 news for reasons unknowable… > **[Trump Pardons Ex-Navy Sailor Sentenced For Photos Of Submarine](https://www.npr.org/2018/03/09/592440282/trump-pardons-ex-navy-sailor-sentenced-for-photos-of-submarine)** > > President Trump frequently referenced Kristian Saucier's case during the 2016 campaign, saying he had been punished for a lesser offense than what Hillary Clinton did with her private email server. ---
**Author:** ![zbuzz](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/e19b73/32.png) [@zbuzz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zbuzz)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7484 "2023-10-06T02:30:09Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > [Trump allegedly discussed US nuclear subs with foreign national after leaving White House: Sources - ABC News](https://abcnews.go.com/US/after-white-house-trump-allegedly-discussed-potentially-sensitive/story?id=103760456) I love the last bit from the Trump spokesperson handwaving it all away because Trump is a big believer in “transparency.” ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7485 "2023-10-06T02:38:11Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > Trump is a big believer in “transparency” Sounds right to me. I hate it when I’m trying to buy a used nuclear sub on Craigslist and the seller doesn’t give the full specs. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7486 "2023-10-06T03:22:46Z")
“It was owned by a little old lady who only used it to blow up her church on Sundays.” If Trump gave the specs on U.S. submarines to someone he was trying to sell them to, wouldn’t anyone in their right mind believe him? ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7487 "2023-10-06T05:22:48Z")
If you know how big the submarine is and you know how big the missiles are, it seems like a fairly straightforward math problem to figure out how many there could possibly be. And Tom Clancy described US subs having to tail Russian subs at a more discrete distance due to “Crazy Ivan” turns all the way back in 1985 or so (whenever The Hunt for Red October was published). Regardless of the actual numbers, I think the answer is if the sub is carrying one or more missiles, it is enough to ruin one’s entire day. Regarding the follow distance I think it would be equal to about half the amount of time it would take a Russian sonar operator to say “torpedo in the water”. Nonetheless, if these are secrets that are not supposed to be repeated by people in the know, Trump has once again fucked up. Got to love that about Trump. Whatever bad thing you think he has done, it is actually worse. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7488 "2023-10-06T05:35:19Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > If you know how big the submarine is… Trump doesn’t even know how big his own apartment is. I’m sure our enemies, and probably even our allies, have teams of experts (real experts, not Trumpian “experts”) poring over every scrap of information they can get to try to understand our military capabilities. I’d just be surprised if Trump didn’t take the opportunity to creatively interpret the specs he shared. Not that that excuses Trump breaching national security. I just figure that some foreign intelligence service heard Trump’s claims and had a good laugh among themselves. ---
**Author:** ![abcdefghij](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/43a26b/32.png) [@abcdefghij](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/abcdefghij)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 10:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7489 "2023-10-06T10:34:09Z")
> [@DWMarch](#): > > If you know how big the submarine is and you know how big the missiles are, it seems like a fairly straightforward math problem to figure out how many there could possibly be. It’s not a question of knowing how many missiles a boat is capable of carrying. That’s a simple matter of counting hatches. What he allegedly divulged was: > [@JohnT](#): > > the supposed exact number of nuclear warheads they routinely carry It’s not even a question of knowing how many warheads a boat is _capable_ of carrying. For a variety of reasons, not all missiles necessarily have their full complement of warheads and not all tubes are necessarily loaded. I was a Nuclear Weapons Launch Officer and I didn’t routinely know how many warheads we had on board or how they were distributed. I probably could have found out, but it wasn’t common knowledge. Even on an SSBN, we stuck to the Navy’s coy “while this vessel is capable of carrying nuclear weapons, I can neither confirm nor deny the presence of nuclear weapons aboard this vessel”. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7490 "2023-10-06T14:55:45Z")
As I said elsewhere, I am in a committed relationship with a woman who was born and raised in the Soviet Union, in the Ukraine SSR, and who identifies as a Republican. This morning, we had the following conversation: “Imagine if Leonid Brezhnev retired as head of the Politburo.” “OK” “And let’s say he had a meeting with an East German industrialist.” “I don’t know why he would do so…” “Well, let’s assume this for the sake of this discussion.” (nods) “And in this meeting, he told the East German state secrets about the Soviet Union’s nuclear submarines, specifically how many nuclear weapons they carry and how close they can get to American subs without the Americans knowing they are there. And the guy went around, blabbing these secrets to dozens of people. What would the Soviet response be?” “We would never know that this happened.” “True. But what _should_ be the Soviet response be?” “Oh, he would die. Likely of a heart attack.” “Really?” “Well, that’s what we would be told. But **if he were a traitor in this way** , spilling state secrets, his life would be very short. Why do you ask?” So I told her about the story, finishing with “and I’m glad you said he was a traitor, because he _is_.” ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7491 "2023-10-06T15:09:27Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > So I told her about the story, finishing with “and I’m glad you said he was a traitor, because he _is_.” How’d that turn out? Have her views changed on Trump’s keeping classified documents, obstructing justice, and sharing State secrets, directly or indirectly, with enemy agents? Tangent: Having been born in Ukraine, what are her views on the war? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7492 "2023-10-06T15:12:39Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > How’d that turn out? Have her views changed on Trump’s keeping classified documents, obstructing justice, and sharing State secrets, directly or indirectly, with enemy agents? > > Tangent: Having been born in Ukraine, what are her views on the war? This is a subject worthy of its own thread. Is there one out there already? ---
**Author:** ![Horatius](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/horatius/32/3572_2.png) [@Horatius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Horatius)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7493 "2023-10-06T15:50:49Z")
> [@zbuzz](#): > > I love the last bit from the Trump spokesperson handwaving it all away because Trump is a big believer in “transparency.” “If Russia and CHY-na don’t know how many bombs we have on each sub, how will they know to be afraid of us? I’m SAVING the United States!” ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7494 "2023-10-06T19:30:47Z")
If I interpret your SO’s response correctly, we should whack the Australian blabbermouth, instead of the former President/traitor. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7495 "2023-10-06T19:34:35Z")
No worries, everyone. I heard it reported that the billionaire only told 40 or so other people. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7496 "2023-10-06T19:42:38Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > If I interpret your SO’s response correctly, we should whack the Australian blabbermouth, instead of the former President/traitor. My fault, I didn’t make it clear that we were talking about Brezhnev. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2023, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7497 "2023-10-06T21:21:22Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > This is a subject worthy of its own thread. Is there one out there already? Actually, yes, in a manner of speaking: > [@Love in the Age of Trump, or, I fell in love with a Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/love-in-the-age-of-trump-or-i-fell-in-love-with-a-republican/980600): > > lol, this isn’t hardly unusual, the idea of two different political factions in the same household, but given [this thread](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-want-to-start-a-thread-but-i-think-i-will-need-moderator-support/980583) by @Czarcasm , I just wanted to see if his prediction would come true - that some of y’all just wouldn’t be able to help yourselves in the snark. And if the SDMB has dropped to the level he thinks, well, we need to up our tolerance game. Because it’s like I told Inna: our votes canceled each others’ out anyway. Now we just know who’s vote we are canceling. And rejecting her … ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 12:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7498 "2023-10-07T12:34:30Z")
Now we have a better idea as to why this happened in 2021: > **[Why A Submarine Deal Has France At Odds With The U.S., U.K. And Australia](https://www.npr.org/2021/09/19/1038746061/submarine-deal-us-uk-australia-france)** > > Australia brokered a deal estimated at $66 billion with France in 2016 for a new fleet of submarines. But Australia has canceled the contract and will get nuclear subs from the U.S. and U.K. instead. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7499 "2023-10-07T15:29:34Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > “It was owned by a little old lady who only used it to blow up her church on Sundays.” Craigslist boats section: “Soviet era Typhoon-class ballistic missile sub, w/caterpillar drive. Sonar as-new, used for one ping only. No scuttlers.” ---
**Author:** ![Zakalwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zakalwe/32/270_2.png) [@Zakalwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zakalwe)\ **Post date:** [October 7, 2023, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/7500 "2023-10-07T15:46:17Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > Craigslist boats section: > > “Soviet era Typhoon-class ballistic missile sub, w/caterpillar drive. Sonar as-new, used for one ping only. No scuttlers.” Hey! The SubFax report says the sonar was used _twice_ for one ping only. I’m gonna need a discount off the asking… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=374) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=376)