# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 38
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/741 "2022-08-12T19:54:56Z")
[https://images.app.goo.gl/UJuNyWzduhKqSScd7](https://images.app.goo.gl/UJuNyWzduhKqSScd7) ETA: Sadly, I’m not able to post good image links from my phone today. ETA: > **[Six-Year-Old Girl to Burn 'My Pet Goat' Book at Ground Zero on September 11 -...](https://www.dailysquib.co.uk/world/2434-six-year-old-girl-to-burn-my-pet-goat-book-at-ground-zero-on-september-11.html)** > > NEW YORK - USA - Judie Belcher, 6, has vowed to ceremonially burn the same book that George W Bush was reading on the fateful day he did nothing whilst the Twin Towers were attacked by a covert agency. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/742 "2022-08-12T20:01:35Z")
Here it is: [Document Viewer : NPR](https://apps.npr.org/documents/document.html?id=22131380-trump-warrant-unsealed?responsive=1&ti) Nothing surprising. No mention of RD/FRD information (nuclear stuff). ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/743 "2022-08-12T20:01:35Z")
This contains a link to the _redacted_ warrant: > ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/744 "2022-08-12T20:02:19Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > “Not only will I not oppose the release of documents related to the unAmerican, unwarranted, and unnecessary raid and break-in of my home” Is that verbatim? It’s not a sentence, is it? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/745 "2022-08-12T20:02:29Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > While I’m delighted at the prospect of Trump being charged with espionage, I’m also kind of disappointed that this warrant-serving business seemingly has nothing to do with the J6 investigation, since that will likely impact more GOP scumbags than just Trump and do more damage to the party going forward. Each investigation in its own time. They’re running on separate tracks and separate time lines. But I believe they’ll all land as they ripen. As for this one, it’s both terrifying and very gratifying. Terrifying because if its implications to our national security and very gratifying because the DOJ doesn’t push the words, ‘Espionage Act,’ out into the public sphere without intending to charge. I hear a lot of wiggle words from prognosticators speaking on the tee vee, but here’s what I see: 1. Strong evidence of crimes committed; 2. Intent to commit the crimes well established; 3. Inside witnesses who can offer direct testimony about the crimes; and 4. Documents that speak for themselves about the seriousness of the crimes. In short, I think Trump is fucked. Hard to figure how long it will take to charge him, but this spoke of the investigation could ripen comparatively fast. I won’t say it’s an easy case, but it’s the easiest and quickest one to prove so far, IMHO. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/746 "2022-08-12T20:03:05Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Is that verbatim? It’s not a sentence, is it? It’s verbatim, but I only took the first half of the sentence. ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/747 "2022-08-12T20:03:09Z")
Nothing meaningful was redacted - just the case number and the serving officer’s name. The affidavit, of course, was not unsealed. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/748 "2022-08-12T20:04:22Z")
The information which was redacted was meaningful, thank you. Hence the redaction. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/749 "2022-08-12T20:06:36Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > Nothing meaningful was redacted - just the case number and the serving officer’s name. > > The affidavit, of course, was not unsealed. The phrase “miscellaneous secret documents” is where the meat is. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/750 "2022-08-12T20:07:15Z")
If TFG get’s away with claiming he declassified all of it, wouldn’t those unclassified .gov documents be subject to public disclosure? ---
**Author:** ![Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/son_of_a_rich/32/5439_2.png) [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Son_of_a_Rich)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/751 "2022-08-12T20:07:32Z")
Does anybody here honestly believe trump will ever see the inside of a cell? I don’t think he will, but I would looove so much to be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/752 "2022-08-12T20:11:07Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Does anybody here honestly believe trump will ever see the inside of a cell? I do, but with the caveat that the term, “cell,” will have to be redefined to accommodate a former president and his attendant Secret Service protection entitlements. This is obviously uncharted territory, so who knows how it will play out? But that he will be charged, convicted, sentenced and remanded to serve that sentence? I’m pretty confident it’s going to happen. IANAL. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/753 "2022-08-12T20:11:44Z")
Regarding the picture books, I do see two lines that say “binder of photos”. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/754 "2022-08-12T20:12:00Z")
Trump is claiming that evidence was planted, right? That’s an allegation of a pretty serious crime; shouldn’t he be interviewed by investigators so they can get to the bottom of that crime? As part of the process he should have the opportunity to file a witness statement detailing his knowledge of these events, and have the opportunity to sign it, under penalty of law. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/755 "2022-08-12T20:14:45Z")
I believe he’s allowed to say it all he wants (unless there’s a defamation issue). If he says it in court, under oath or would actually attempt to press charges or sue them, that would be different. But that’s just an un-educated assumption. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/756 "2022-08-12T20:15:25Z")
> [@Son\_of\_a\_Rich](#): > > Does anybody here honestly believe trump will ever see the inside of a cell? I don’t. But it’s good to see him squirm, and it’s good to broadcast the truth about Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Pazu](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pazu/32/15522_2.png) [@Pazu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pazu)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/757 "2022-08-12T20:15:26Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > Regarding the picture books, I do see two lines that say “binder of photos”. OMG, did he manage to steal Mitt Romney’s [binders full of women?](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2017/04/11/mitt-romneys-binders-full-of-women-are-real-they-weigh-15-pounds-6-ounces/) ---
**Author:** ![Great\_Antibob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Great\_Antibob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Great_Antibob)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/758 "2022-08-12T20:16:06Z")
> [@Ssounder](#): > > If TFG get’s away with claiming he declassified all of it, From what I’m reading, whether or not he declassified may not matter. The relevant laws they’re citing cover the unlawful concealment of government records and the unlawful retention of material that can be used to harm the US or aid a foreign adversary (this one pre-dates the classification system in the first place). Whether or not those materials are classified or not may not matter for that purpose. As for public disclosure, as far as I have read, the classification system handles how material tagged as such should be handled but does not require public disclosure of anything that is not classified. I think that might be covered under FOIA, though. IANAL so somebody can correct me on that ---
**Author:** ![Jas09](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d07c76/32.png) [@Jas09](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jas09)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/759 "2022-08-12T20:16:28Z")
Not necessarily. There is a decent chance the current President reclassified some of the information. I actually have no idea how such a thing would play out in court. That’s my “fizzle” scenario for this - the DOJ just really wanted to get this stuff back because they didn’t trust Trump not to reveal it (either in a pique or as retribution at some future date). But from a criminal perspective it will be hard to prove that Trump didn’t actually order them declassified. So nothing actually happens. The major countervailing factor to this scenario is that I can’t imagine Garland would go to such a politically fraught extreme over it. But maybe he thought he had enough cover with the “multiple TS/SCI documents” angle. To press charges, it seems DOJ needs more than just the documents themselves - they need some sort of document or recording or solid information that there was a nefarious purpose to keeping the documents. ---
**Author:** ![Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/elmer_j.fudd/32/1211_2.png) [@Elmer\_J.Fudd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elmer_J.Fudd)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2022, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/760 "2022-08-12T20:20:06Z")
> [@Jas09](#): > > But from a criminal perspective it will be hard to prove that Trump didn’t actually order them declassified. So nothing actually happens. Whether he declassified them or not, surely it’s still a crime to cloister away government property after you no longer have a right to possess it, especially after that government has requested its return. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=37) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=39)