# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 401
**Author:** ![Disinfectus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/disinfectus/32/11085_2.png) [@Disinfectus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Disinfectus)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 1:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8026 "2024-04-08T01:31:00Z")
Telling me to that Google should find what I’m looking for isn’t the point. You made the assertion so the onus is on you to support your claim. Your first cite is a book that is critical of the Espionage Act. Your second is not critical of the Espionage Act in and of itself. It just questions whether or not it applies to Trump. The use of the word “often” would suggest that examples of this are plentiful. From what my searches have determined, they are not plentiful. Examples might be plentiful in specific cases, but not in the general sense from what I can find. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8027 "2024-04-08T03:08:27Z")
> [@Disinfectus](#): > > Telling me to that Google should find what I’m looking for isn’t the point. You made the assertion so the onus is on you to support your claim. Was Nat Hentoff liberal? Yes, I always though so when I read him in the Village Voice. He was the perfect example of a liberal — albeit one who may not meet today’s standards for being a progressive – who wrote newspaper columns critical of the Espionage Act. I further suggest googling: “espionage act” “nat hentoff” as well as looking at the footnotes in the book I linked to. If that means I didn’t meet my onus, so be it. My problem is not with charging under the Espionage Act per se. I do have a problem with going a route that could end with a draconian sentence and was never going to result in speedy trial. Deterrence theory says – speed of the process often matters, and length of sentence rarely does. True for both rich and poor. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8028 "2024-04-08T12:14:46Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Googling should locate find dozens of books and articles with liberal critiques of the Espionage Act as used against Eugene Debs and Ethel Rosenberg > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I further suggest googling: That’s not how cites work. Making a claim and telling someone else to google it is akin to saying that you can’t back up your own claim and the other person is under no obligation to assume it’s true. Telling someone to buy a 350 page book and ‘read the footnotes’ us equally unhelpful. If the footnotes back up your claim, then quote them. > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > If that means I didn’t meet my onus, so be it. It does not. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8029 "2024-04-08T18:49:08Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I further suggest googling: > > “espionage act” “nat hentoff” Jesus, man. How‘bout _you_ google it and let everyone know what you find. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8030 "2024-04-08T18:59:50Z")
It feels like this discussion is becoming a hijack. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [April 8, 2024, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8031 "2024-04-08T19:23:10Z")
Moderating: > [@jsc1953](#): > > It feels like this discussion is becoming a hijack. I agree. @PhillyGuy, please contain your comments in this thread to what is actually happening in the case, and take speculative discussions about what you’d like to see happen to new or different threads. You do this a lot, and it’s always a hijack. Please take more care to stay on topic. Also, as noted, don’t direct others to Google. Be prepared to bring cites for your assertions if asked. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [April 9, 2024, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8032 "2024-04-09T23:23:53Z")
Latest: > ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8033 "2024-04-10T04:44:05Z")
That’s an incredibly whiny, weaselly bit of writing. “This judging stuff is hard!” What a disgrace. ---
**Author:** ![wguy123](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wguy123/32/3161_2.png) [@wguy123](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wguy123)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8034 "2024-04-10T16:42:31Z")
Also, who writes a sentence like this: _Having done so, the bottom line is this._ That is the complete sentence. Having wrote that, the end result is this. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8035 "2024-04-10T16:43:44Z")
Maybe “this” _is_ the bottom line. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8036 "2024-04-10T16:48:59Z")
The buck stops. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8037 "2024-04-10T17:17:12Z")
Is it followed by a bulleted list? Some people do that. It would be better to say “this, below.” or to use a colon after “this”, but it’s reasonable IF it’s followed by a bulleted list. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8038 "2024-04-10T17:24:36Z")
containing at least 3 items. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8039 "2024-04-10T17:28:55Z")
Dammit - now I miss OpalCat again. I like how the document excerpt starts with what is basically “It’s the Special Counsel’s fault for not pointing out I was wrong earlier”. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8040 "2024-04-10T18:29:18Z")
> [@Yllaria](#): > > Is it followed by a bulleted list? No it is not. The bottom line is this: The judge is incompetent. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8041 "2024-04-10T18:30:50Z")
Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [April 10, 2024, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8042 "2024-04-10T18:37:45Z")
re: Cannon “overturning” herself and not releasing witness names She ultimately got it right and her order is full of pettiness. With that said, it was the Gov’t burden to prove these witness names should be redacted (Trump _and the Press_ both asked Cannon to make them public) and DOJ pretty much phoned it in on why Cannon should not release them. Here is their original 3 page motion (you can just look at it and get a sense that it’s not good). It’s not that good compared their usual motions/briefs. Of course maybe they were relying on Cannon using some common sense, but that ship sailed long ago and DOJ was well aware of who they were dealing with by this point. So no appeal here. It seems like Cannon gets right up to the event horizon leading to an appeal/11th Cir reversal and then backs away. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8043 "2024-04-12T13:22:30Z")
[Trump attorney who became a crucial witness against him has departed legal team (msn.com)](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-attorney-who-became-a-crucial-witness-against-him-has-departed-legal-team/ar-BB1ltZqh) trump attorney one in the florida indictment has left trump’s legal team. corcoran’s attorney-client privilege was pierced during the grand jury. "Corcoran was brought on to help Trump fend off charges in the classified documents investigation, but instead turned into a central witness after Trump allegedly misled him about the whereabouts of the documents at his Mar-a-Lago club and encouraged him to lie to the Justice Department and withhold those documents. One year ago, Corcoran was required to appear before a grand jury investigating the case after a district judge ruled he could not use attorney-client privilege to shield notes and memos from investigators about his interactions with Trump, saying that prosecutors met the threshold for the crime-fraud exception for him. The voice memos turned into notes provided a roadmap for prosecutors when they indicted Trump. Corcoran is referred to as “Trump Attorney 1” in that indictment." ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8044 "2024-04-12T13:36:26Z")
I was reading that just now. According to Trump’s people in the article, he’s still on their team. "Trump campaign spokesman Steven Cheung told CNN in a statement, “Mr. Corcoran remains on the legal team and is continuing to help fighting the Biden Trial witch-hunts,” adding that “any assertion otherwise is fake news peddled by uninformed sources and untruthful reporting that seeks to leak disinformation and misinformation.” ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [April 12, 2024, 1:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8045 "2024-04-12T13:41:49Z")
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