# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 412
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 26, 2024, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8246 "2024-05-26T21:25:08Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > Isn’t this just precious?? He’s so proud of having hit the then zenith of his idiocy that he wanted it as a memento to pass down to his kids! On a fame basis alone, it may be worth hundreds of thousands of dollars at auction. For a guy who bleeds money, hanging on to that stuff might be the difference between sitting in jail or posting bond. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [May 27, 2024, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8247 "2024-05-27T11:06:19Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > For a guy who bleeds money, hanging on to that stuff might be the difference between sitting in jail or posting bond. Or between McD’s and Wendys. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8248 "2024-05-28T15:34:46Z")
cannon has denied the request for trump gag order from team usa. cannon agreed with team trump that enough time was not given to argue or have a hearing. so, denied on technicality. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8249 "2024-05-28T15:39:07Z")
Aileen Cannon is, quite simply, the best attorney on Trump’s team. ---
**Author:** ![rocking\_chair](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rocking_chair/32/2918_2.png) [@rocking\_chair](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rocking_chair)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8250 "2024-05-28T16:45:45Z")
per cnn: In other Trump court news on Tuesday, federal Judge Aileen Cannon [rejected special counsel Jack Smith’s request](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/28/politics/trump-gag-order-cannon-classified-documents/index.html)for a gag order against Donald Trump in the classified documents case, saying prosecutors’ efforts to work with defense lawyers was “wholly lacking in substance and professional courtesy.” In a brief order, Cannon slammed prosecutors for not following the court’s rules by failing to confer with Trump’s defense lawyers in a meaningful way about a potential gag order. “Because the filing of the Special Counsel’s Motion did not adhere to these basic requirements, it is due to be denied without prejudice,” Cannon wrote, adding that “it should go without saying that meaningful conferral is not a perfunctory exercise.” Prosecutors can ask for a gag order again, Cannon said, once they give “sufficient time” to Trump’s defense team to read the motion and discuss it with prosecutors. “Failure to comply with these requirements may result in sanctions,” Cannon wrote. While Cannon quickly ruled on this matter, she has yet to rule on nearly a dozen fully briefed motions in this case. The judge’s decision on the gag order also highlights how the cumbersome filing process in her court has repeatedly plagued the case as it slowly inches towards trial. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 4:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8251 "2024-05-28T16:49:47Z")
Feels like Cannon has come to a resolution on the discomfort caused by the cognitive dissonance between the difficulty of balancing her job with her political beliefs: She’s just going to go with politics. Disappointing, I was hoping that she’d pull through, drop Fox from her hometime viewing, etc. and focus on professionality. Seems not. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [May 28, 2024, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8252 "2024-05-28T23:37:38Z")
> [@rocking\_chair](#): > > Judge Aileen Cannon [rejected special counsel Jack Smith’s request](https://www.cnn.com/2024/05/28/politics/trump-gag-order-cannon-classified-documents/index.html)for a gag order against Donald Trump in the classified documents case, saying prosecutors’ efforts to work with defense lawyers was “wholly lacking in substance and professional courtesy.” Excuse me what? “professional courtesy”? _Professional Fucking Courtesy_? So it’s now just polite and courteous to allow a criminal defendant to go around threatening the DA, court officials and anyone else he damn well pleases? When this goes to trial, will he be able to send hired goons after the jury member’s families as a “professional courtesy”? What is actually going on with her? ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8253 "2024-05-29T00:39:24Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > What is actually going on with her? She’s an inexperienced judge with a tenuous grasp on the law as well as court proceedings and she’s in the bag for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8254 "2024-05-29T00:41:17Z")
Is there ANY chance she can be removed from presiding over this trial? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8255 "2024-05-29T00:42:50Z")
Not yet. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8256 "2024-05-29T00:48:27Z")
What does she have to do/not do for that to happen? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 12:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8257 "2024-05-29T00:54:55Z")
Something as bad as the rulings she made in the Special Master debacle she oversaw. She’s gotten more canny since those rulings. None of her shitty rulings since then are shitty enough for Smith to prevail with a motion to recuse. It’s a very, very high bar. Plus she’s doing the dirty work for Alito and Thomas. The game is to get the case delayed past the 2024 election. In this she has succeeded. After that, Smith may be willing to take the crap shoot to see if the Eleventh will support him. But remember, even if Smith makes the motion for recusal and the Eleventh grants him such relief, Trump can and will appeal to SCOTUS. And I think we both know what will happen then. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8258 "2024-05-29T00:57:58Z")
It’s already delayed past the election so everything hinges on the election. If Trump is elected, the case will go away somehow. If he’s not elected then the GOP will stop carrying water for him and he’ll end up going to prison because the facts of the case are so egregious. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8259 "2024-05-29T01:07:23Z")
But I wonder: even if he had been convicted before the election, and elected anyway (which is conceivable), there would still be no basis on which he could be treated any differently than any other president by the intelligence agencies in terms of sharing and handling classified information, right? ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8260 "2024-05-29T01:14:15Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > there would still be no basis on which he could be treated any differently than any other president by the intelligence agencies in terms of sharing and handling classified information, right? I don’t know how this affects the US intelligence agencies, but I imagine our foreign allies would hold back and not share a lot of intel that they normally would. ---
**Author:** ![Atamasama](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/atamasama/32/12961_2.png) [@Atamasama](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Atamasama)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 1:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8261 "2024-05-29T01:16:47Z")
> [@Snarky\_Kong](#): > > If Trump is elected, the case will go away somehow. All that Trump’s AG would have to do is declare that the DOJ has higher priorities and it would be ignored at least for the remainder of his term. I’m not sure they have to do anything more than that. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8262 "2024-05-29T02:45:24Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > And I think we both know what will happen then. SCOTUS has ruled against trump. They even refused to hear his suit that the election was bogus. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8263 "2024-05-29T03:11:07Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > SCOTUS has ruled against trump. They even refused to hear his suit that the election was bogus. Their manipulations have been more subtle – unless you’re a court watcher. Then you can see all the things they’ve done to aid Trump. Here’s an older example: In August 2019, New York DA Cy Vance subpoenaed Trump tax records as part of their investigation into the Stormy Daniels case. There really was no reasonable argument that Trump had protection to not provide those records due to “immunity.” State courts subpoena tax records _all the time_ and they are routinely provided. The Supreme Court delayed their ruling until July 2020. It’s the delay that helps Trump, not that SCOTUS finally makes a ruling that is all but inevitable. > **[Supreme Court rejects Trump claim of 'absolute immunity' from grand jury...](https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/scotus-rules-trump-financial-records-subpoenas/story?id=71382157)** > > The Supreme Court rejected President Trump's claim of "absolute immunity" from a New York grand jury subpoena for his financial records. The most current example is this idiotic case about Trump’s “immunity” for his actions on January 6th. Again, this is a no-brainer ruling that was very well crafted by the DC Circuit Court, widely accepted among legal scholars as one of the tightest, finest rulings ever issued. SCOTUS 1) had no reason to take up the issue in the first place, since there was no disagreement among lower courts; 2) Could have heard the issue quickly and adopted the lower court’s ruling; and 3) Could have simply declined to hear the case and allowed the lower court’s ruling to stand. Instead, they initially rejected Jack Smith’s request to expedite their ruling. Then they kicked it back to the lower court to issue the ruling I just mentioned – and then they _still_ took it up and are sitting on it _to this day_. There is no reason for this. None. The delay is the thing, and Trump has benefited from it greatly quite a number of times. Just because SCOTUS ultimately makes an all-but-inevitable “correct” ruling does not excuse the ways in which they are helping Trump every chance they can. The delay built into the January 6th case would not have happened without SCOTUS. And the delay built into the documents case would not have happened without Aileen Cannon. These are partisan judicial actions at their finest, and they should scare the crap out of all of us. We no longer have even the sheerest pretense of an impartial judiciary. If you doubt it, keep your eyes on Alito and Thomas and Cannon. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 3:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8264 "2024-05-29T03:25:50Z")
> [@DavidNRockies](#): > > [bolding mine] > > Isn’t this just precious?? He’s so proud of having hit the then zenith of his idiocy that he wanted it as a memento to pass down to his kids! Just a reminder, by the way, that that Sharpie-d map was a felony. Yeah, I know that I harp on that a lot, but I think it’s just such a perfect illustration of how petty a criminal Trump is. ---
**Author:** ![CoolHandCox](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coolhandcox/32/16233_2.png) [@CoolHandCox](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CoolHandCox)\ **Post date:** [May 29, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/8265 "2024-05-29T16:51:05Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > What is actually going on with her? Specifically what she is referring to is the practice, required by law, for lawyers to work together to try figure things out before you can file a motion with the Court. Here, the prosecution made a minimal effort to do that. They are better than this. Probably frustrated with all the BS. From the article: > [Legal Expert] Schnapp said it “just looks bad” for the prosecutors to move forward with filing the motion on a Friday night of a holiday weekend when the defense team had offered to discuss the gag order request on Monday. > > “Was it going to be a futile exercise? Yes,” said Schnapp. “But it wasn’t the kind of thing that they should have filed without following the rules.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=411) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=413)