# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 52
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1021 "2022-08-14T20:08:53Z")
Keeping the names of jurors confidential is a huge priority, even in regular little ol’ trials. Trial cameras (there would probably only be a pool camera, if that) cannot film them, nor can anyone refer to them except as their juror number. I expect these people will be truly sequestered if it comes to a jury trial, meaning live away from home and under constant surveillance of bailiffs during the trial. It would complicate jury selection a lot. Many people will be reluctant to serve because of their understandable fears and the disruption to their daily lives. The sad thing is, it would be virtually impossible to protect their identities. A lot of people have access to their information (judge, staff, attorneys, the attorneys’ staff, defendant, etc.). Someone is likely to leak. I wonder who might do that? ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1022 "2022-08-14T20:14:30Z")
I suppose it’s too much to hope that Chump could get the death penalty for treason over this. But if this were the 1950s, he’d be strapped into the gas chamber right along with Julius and Ethel. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1023 "2022-08-14T20:16:09Z")
Once again: not treason. The Rosenbergs were executed for espionage and that’s what Trump is looking at as well. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1024 "2022-08-14T20:17:12Z")
Good enough. ---
**Author:** ![Jungian\_Camisole1](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jungian_camisole1/32/3646_2.png) [@Jungian\_Camisole1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jungian_Camisole1)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1025 "2022-08-14T20:19:44Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The sad thing is, it would be virtually impossible to protect their identities. A lot of people have access to their information (judge, staff, attorneys, the attorneys’ staff, defendant, etc.). Someone is likely to leak. That’s exactly what was going through my mind. All it takes is one Zealot for the Cause to blow everything sky-high; I would be terrified if I were on the jury. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1026 "2022-08-14T20:23:46Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > I suppose it’s too much to hope that Chump could get the death penalty for treason over this. But if this were the 1950s, he’d be strapped into the gas chamber right along with Julius and Ethel Julius and Ethel didn’t get the gas chamber. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1027 "2022-08-14T20:25:08Z")
> [@Jungian\_Camisole1](#): > > All it takes is one Zealot for the Cause to blow everything sky-high; I would be terrified if I were on the jury. True enough. Without fear or favor. Merrick Garland has good advice for us all – including prospective jurors. But we’re a long ways away from that right now. Let’s wait and see how it all unfolds. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1028 "2022-08-14T20:25:49Z")
Ah yes, I meant the electric chair. Dunno how it came out as gas chamber. As long as they strap down Chump, I don’t care which it is. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1029 "2022-08-14T20:27:27Z")
Moderating: > [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > Ah yes, I meant the electric chair. Dunno how it came out as gas chamber. As long as they strap down Chump, I don’t care which it is. - It’s against our rules to wish death on someone. Let’s not go down this road. Thanks. ETA: Mod note rescinded. After @GreysonCarlisle brought it up in ATMB, I reviewed the rule and realized it applies only to wishing death on other posters. My apologies to you, @Siam_Sam. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1030 "2022-08-14T20:43:13Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I think that punishing someone with years in prison, because they failed to declassify a paper, when that president could have easily done it, is overreaching. That’s not remotely what the issue is. The issue is that these are documents at the highest level of security out there. That means that their getting out is considered a threat to national security. And Trump took them, put them in a low security location (at best). He put the whole country at risk. And, of course, the only rational reason to take them would be if you planned on selling them or use them as blackmail, and Trump is exactly the sort of person who would do that. People really just don’t understand how big a deal it is. Even if he had declassified them, it would be a big deal. It just would be harder to prosecute. Trump put our country at risk. There’s a reason espionage is punished severely. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1031 "2022-08-14T20:47:41Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > There’s a reason espionage is punished severely. Up until now. Stay tuned. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1032 "2022-08-14T21:10:31Z")
Further discussion on picking a Trump jury can be held here: > [@Getting an impartial jury for Donald Trump (if it comes to that)](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/getting-an-impartial-jury-for-donald-trump-if-it-comes-to-that/969658): > > This has come up in a several discussions and I think it deserves its own thread topic. If Trump goes on trial, how can they get an impartial jury? The guy is probably the most polarizing person ever in US history, even more than Abraham Lincoln. So both sides of the case would find it imperative to keep partisans for the other side off the jury. My suggestion is that they preemptively eliminate everyone who voted in the 2020 election. Doesn’t matter who they voted for, just the fact that they… Thanks to @dtilque for starting a separate thread. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1033 "2022-08-14T21:36:25Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > If Trump does run to Russia, can we just cancel his passport? Citizenship. A modern-day Phillip Nolan flying from country to country, landing just long enough to refuel then be made to take off again. ---
**Author:** ![Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/marvin_the_martian/32/2898_2.png) [@Marvin\_the\_Martian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marvin_the_Martian)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1034 "2022-08-14T21:58:23Z")
> [@enipla](#): > > I think, from what I looked up a few months ago, Trumps particular model didn’t have the range. I could certainly be wrong. And perhaps this refurberation retrofitted it to do so. > > From here - [Swedish extradition laws](https://www.government.se/government-of-sweden/ministry-of-justice/international-judicial-co-operation/extradition-for-criminal-offences/) But since that would just be a stop for fuel, I very much doubt his plane could be grounded. That shit would take months through the courts. Is there some obligation to actually sell someone fuel if they land at your airport? ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 10:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1035 "2022-08-14T22:36:30Z")
> [@Novelty\_Bobble](#): > > > [@JKellyMap](#): > > > > I heard some Republican lawmaker say that the “Democrats better have the goods” or they’ll be hell to pay. > > That is a fair statement of the situation though is it not? Whether couched in partisan terms or not. If it had been “the FBI better have the goods”, that would have been a fair statement of the situation. Couching it in partisan terms is the whole point for the Republicans, that way they don’t have to confront the fact that there were probably a whole lot of Republicans in the loop in DoJ and the FBI who were part of this decision. > [@Skypist](#): > > > [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > > > They put in an SCIF at Mar-a-Lago immediately after Trump took office. > > They should never have done that. Eh, you can build a SCIF out of a shipping container. I know a guy who used one in Afghanistan that was basically an enlarged safe. It’s a good bet that GWB had one at his Texas ranch. You’d want one near anywhere the President is going to be for more than a day or two. The key is that they would have to decommission the SCIF once the president leaves office, since he would no longer have any need or ability to use it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1036 "2022-08-14T22:46:13Z")
I swear to God I will be SO pissed if Trump is arrested on the same day as the final episode of Better Call Saul. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1037 "2022-08-14T23:05:01Z")
Well to each their own but I’m also a fan of that show and I’d gladly make that trade, especially since the BCS finale is tomorrow. Hell, if the BCS finale had to be locked in a vault beside that Wu-Tang Clan album in exchange for Trump going down, I wouldn’t be thrilled about it but I’d take it. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1038 "2022-08-14T23:05:40Z")
Damn, that’s a hard bargain. Ok, Im in! ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1039 "2022-08-14T23:07:01Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > Yours is a well-reasoned scenario, IMHO, and very likely how it will play out for Trump. As I’m sure you know, McConnell and others have quietly hoped for a long while that Dems and their efforts to have Trump prosecuted will take care of removing Trump from the field for them. I’ve often said I don’t see why we should hurry the process. > > DeSantis terrifies me. My dream scenario is that the Republican powers-that-be are through with Trump and nominate DeSantis; but Trump in his fury runs a 3rd party campaign and takes his MAGAts with him. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1040 "2022-08-14T23:10:15Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > the Republican powers-that-be are through with Trump and nominate DeSantis; Who are the Republican “powers-that-be”that you are referring to? My understanding is that the voters do the nominating. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=51) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=53)