# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 53
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1041 "2022-08-14T23:24:05Z")
> [@Riemann](#): > > what’s to stop the DOJ tying Trump up in retrials for years until he either dies or pleads? Sound like harassment to me. The serious answers to your question are: 1. The value system of the career prosecutors. 2. Public opinion. > [@Riemann](#): > > And in a criminal trial, the defendant must be present, he can’t be playing golf while his lawyers handle it. Googling, it seems that lawyers don’t like it, but the defendant can make a plea and then waive the right to attend the trial. One concern I have is that he can’t get a fair trial due to massive prejudicial pre-trial publicity. This thread is not reassuring in that respect. Also, there’s a timing problem in that he plans to run for office again. This will probably cause any trial to be delayed for fear of interfering with an election. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1042 "2022-08-14T23:26:37Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > One concern I have is that he can’t get a fair trial due to massive prejudicial pre-trial publicity. This thread is not reassuring in that respect. No offense, seriously, but this is a concern that has no validity whatsoever. Trump made this public for fuck’s sake. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1043 "2022-08-14T23:29:03Z")
PhillyGuy’s faith that we can’t find 12 people in America who doesn’t know that Trump was President is touching. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1044 "2022-08-14T23:46:20Z")
I’m faithless all around. I should also have mentioned the massive and unfair prejudicial pretrial publicity against the prosecution. If the prosecutors ignore this, they will lose. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1045 "2022-08-14T23:55:45Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > My understanding is that the voters do the nominating. Oh, my sweet summer child…. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 14, 2022, 11:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1046 "2022-08-14T23:56:49Z")
Impressive strategy to demand back the documents you declassified prior to the FBI planting them. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1047 "2022-08-15T00:00:17Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > Oh, my sweet summer child…. 😉 No I’m serious. What is the group of Republican powers that be that can dictate the nomination? And were they asleep at the switch in 2016? ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1048 "2022-08-15T00:01:08Z")
> [@jsc1953](#): > > > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > > > My understanding is that the voters do the nominating. > > Oh, my sweet summer child…. 😉 I’m with Northern Piper here. Trump executed a hostile takeover of the GOP. Party leaders did not actually like him. Most of them still don’t. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1049 "2022-08-15T00:03:59Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > One concern I have is that he can’t get a fair trial due to massive prejudicial pre-trial publicity. > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I should also have mentioned the massive and unfair prejudicial pretrial publicity against the prosecution. How convenient! Want to break the law? Make sure your crime is public and then Tweet about how they’re out to get you all day every day and you’re trial proof! ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1050 "2022-08-15T00:06:00Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Trump executed a hostile takeover of the GOP. Party leaders did not actually like him. Most of them still don’t. And on the other side of the aisle, in 2020 it looked like Biden’s campaign was dead until the voters in North Carolina gave him the big win. Did the powers that be in the Democratic Party manipulate those voters somehow? ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1051 "2022-08-15T00:19:37Z")
Why does running for office negate the need of a trial? Why aren’t all criminals running for public office to avoid or delay a trial? ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1052 "2022-08-15T00:20:46Z")
Moderating: > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > No I’m serious. What is the group of Republican powers that be that can dictate the nomination? And were they asleep at the switch in 2016? > [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I’m with Northern Piper here. > > Trump executed a hostile takeover of the GOP. Party leaders did not actually like him. Most of them still don’t. > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > And on the other side of the aisle, in 2020 it looked like Biden’s campaign was dead until the voters in North Carolina gave him the big win. Did the powers that be in the Democratic Party manipulate those voters somehow? You are in a full blown thread hijack here. Stop now. There are plenty of other threads to discuss how Trump came into power. This is not one of them. Thanks. No warnings issued. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1053 "2022-08-15T00:21:54Z")
Shall do. Apologies. ---
**Author:** ![PhillyGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ed655f/32.png) [@PhillyGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PhillyGuy)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1054 "2022-08-15T00:25:52Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > How convenient! Want to break the law? Make sure your crime is public and then Tweet about how they’re out to get you all day every day and you’re trial proof! Ethical law enforcement workers have a hard job. Criminals usually get away with most crimes. An example: My impression is that Trump has committed many crimes over a period of decades, and he has gotten to age 76 without spending a day in jail. Indicting when there is little chance of conviction is a misuse of government resources, and, in this case, would be a gift to a bad man. He’ll never be convicted of a federal felony – hopefully they are thinking along other lines. ---
**Author:** ![Spiff](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spiff/32/9852_2.png) [@Spiff](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spiff)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1055 "2022-08-15T00:30:43Z")
Now it makes more sense, and I see your point. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![jsc1953](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/5daacb/32.png) [@jsc1953](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jsc1953)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1056 "2022-08-15T00:38:06Z")
> **off topic post hidden.** > > > [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > > > No I’m serious. What is the group of Republican powers that be that can dictate the nomination? And were they asleep at the switch in 2016? > > My apologies for the smart-assedness of my remark. The serious answer would be that I presume that the RNC has some power, some levers to manipulate, that can subtly influence the nomination process. They could pass a party by-law prohibiting any twice-impeached former presidents from getting any financial resources. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1057 "2022-08-15T00:41:21Z")
Hiding off topic post. I’m guessing you missed the modnote. See above and drop the hijack. ---
**Author:** ![SunUp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ea5d25/32.png) [@SunUp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SunUp)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1058 "2022-08-15T00:50:36Z")
Has Trump ever been indicted before? The Trump _Organization_ was indicted last year, along with Allan Weisselberg, but I can’t recall a time when Trump himself has been indicted for, say, fraud. He’s been sued civilly many times, of course, for what might well have been crimes had they been prosecuted, but I expect that there are few instances of criminal indictments on his record - probably because of the higher standard of proof required in criminal cases. Perhaps there is a greater chance of conviction when the bar for indictment has been crossed. In any event, as they say, past performance is no guarantee of future results. ---
**Author:** ![Riemann](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/riemann/32/3133_2.png) [@Riemann](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Riemann)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1059 "2022-08-15T01:37:06Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > Sound like harassment to me. > > The serious answers to your question are: > > 1. The value system of the career prosecutors. > 2. Public opinion. How is retrial harassment if the evidence is objectively overwhelming, and only politically-motivated jury nullification has led to a hung jury? It seems to me that the “value system of the career prosecutors” _should be_ to prosecute people who are obviously guilty, not to allow them to evade justice for purely political reasons. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2022, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1060 "2022-08-15T01:49:59Z")
> [@PhillyGuy](#): > > I think that punishing someone with years in prison, because they failed to declassify a paper, when that president could have easily done it, is overreaching. This post demonstrates an extremely poor understanding of the situation. Whoever told you that this is what this is about is lying to you. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=52) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=54)