# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 72
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1421 "2022-08-22T21:21:14Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > (but we say “defense” 😉 ) And I’ll bet you don’t say “Crown” either! 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1422 "2022-08-22T21:21:15Z")
Sorry, let me link to this page and two relevant quotes: [https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-5000-issues-related-trials-and-other-court-proceedings](https://www.justice.gov/jm/jm-9-5000-issues-related-trials-and-other-court-proceedings) > [@](#): > > Confidential informant (CI)/Witness (CW)/Human Source (CHS)/Source (CS) Files: The credibility of cooperating witnesses or informants will always be at issue if they testify during a trial. Therefore, prosecutors are entitled to access to the agency file for each testifying CI, CW, CHS, or CS. Those files should be reviewed for discoverable information and copies made of relevant portions for discovery purposes. The entire informant/source file, not just the portion relating to the current case, including all proffer, immunity and other agreements, validation assessments, payment information, and other potential witness impeachment information should be included within this review. > If a prosecutor believes that the circumstances of the case warrant review of a non-testifying source’s file, the prosecutor should follow the agency’s procedures for requesting the review of such a file. > Prosecutors should take steps to protect the non-discoverable, sensitive information found within a CI, CW, CHS, or CS file. Further, prosecutors should consider whether discovery obligations arising from the review of CI, CW, CHS, and CS files may be fully discharged while better protecting government or witness interests such as security or privacy via a summary letter to defense counsel rather than producing the record in its entirety. > Prosecutors must always be mindful of security issues that may arise with respect to disclosures from confidential source files. Prior to disclosure, prosecutors should consult with the investigative agency to evaluate any such risks and to develop a strategy for addressing those risks or minimizing them as much as possible, consistent with discovery obligations > [@](#): > > Constitutional obligation to ensure a fair trial and disclose material exculpatory and impeachment evidence. Government disclosure of material exculpatory and impeachment evidence is part of the constitutional guarantee to a fair trial. Brady v. Maryland, 373 U.S. 83, 87 (1963); Giglio v. United States, 405 U.S. 150, 154 (1972). The law requires the disclosure of exculpatory and impeachment evidence when such evidence is material to guilt or punishment. Brady, 373 U.S. at 87; Giglio, 405 U.S. at 154. Because they are Constitutional obligations, Brady and Giglio evidence must be disclosed regardless of whether the defendant makes a request for exculpatory or impeachment evidence. Kyles v. Whitley, 514 U.S. 419, 432-33 (1995). Neither the Constitution nor this policy, however, creates a general discovery right for trial preparation or plea negotiations. U.S. v. Ruiz, 536 U.S. 622, 629 (2002); Weatherford v. Bursey, 429 U.S. 545, 559 (1977). ---
**Author:** ![Exapno\_Mapcase](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/exapno_mapcase/32/1051_2.png) [@Exapno\_Mapcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Exapno_Mapcase)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1423 "2022-08-22T21:23:28Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > The Crown has a duty to disclose everything that may be relevant, not just the evidence they plan to rely on for the trial. This is still very far from mentioning every person talked to. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1424 "2022-08-22T21:26:17Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > See _Brady_ rule. Our rule is broader than _Brady_, which uses the “exculpatory” concept. We have a general Crown disclosure based on relevance, without any inquiry into inculpatory or exculpatory. The was set out by the SCC in the _Stinchombe_ case: > Initial disclosure should occur before the accused is called upon to elect the mode of trial or plead. Subject to the Crown’s discretion, **all relevant information must be disclosed, both that which the Crown intends to introduce into evidence and that which it does not, and whether the evidence is inculpatory or exculpatory.** All statements obtained from persons who have provided relevant information to the authorities should be produced, even if they are not proposed as Crown witnesses. Where statements are not in existence, other information such as notes should be produced. If there are no notes, all information in the prosecution’s possession relating to any relevant evidence the person could give should be supplied. > **[R. v. Stinchcombe - SCC Cases](https://scc-csc.lexum.com/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/808/index.do)** > > This page contains a form to search the Supreme Court of Canada case information database. You can search by the SCC 5-digit case number, by name or word in the style of cause, or by file number from the appeal court. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1425 "2022-08-22T21:29:15Z")
> [@Exapno\_Mapcase](#): > > This is still very far from mentioning every person talked to. Except a negative may be relevant. If the police talk to 15 people, and 14 of them have no evidence incriminating or clearing the accused of an allegation of misbehaviour (eg at a party), that is relevant evidence. Far safer for the Crown to disclose every conversation, even if nothing comes from it. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1426 "2022-08-22T21:34:29Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > In general, Trump wants the affidavit released because it helps him to go witness hunting and [DoS](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denial-of-service_attack)ing the investigators. It should be noted that while Trump **says** he wants the affidavit released **he’s not actually doing anything** to make that happen. His lawyers were present at the hearing concerning releasing the affidavit, but they never addressed the court. They have filed no motions concerning the release of the affidavit either. Frequently with Trump what he’s says is at odds with what he does and what he does usually tells us more about what he wants than what he says does. Just a week or two ago he was demanding that the search warrant be released when he was in possession of a copy of it. ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1427 "2022-08-22T21:36:20Z")
I didn’t see that. Interesting… ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1428 "2022-08-22T21:51:49Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Just a week or two ago he was demanding that the search warrant be released when he was in possession of a copy of it. He wants it released, not that he’s actually gonna do it himself. No, no, NO, he “wants it released to the public”, so his allies can spin it in his favor, and all the while he can denounce what the lamestream media says about it, without really having to “do” anything. It’s better for other, little people to push buttons that make things happen, so he can be the victim here. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1429 "2022-08-22T21:55:27Z")
For the FBI to investigate Trump must be by far the juiciest and easiest investigation of all time. Rather than spending a year digging for one gold nugget of evidence, the feds find that Trump is dropping massive golden boulder stones left and right. ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1430 "2022-08-22T21:57:40Z")
It’s another one of those times when he **says** he wants something to happen (that he really doesn’t want to happen) so that he can bitch and moan about other people _obstructing_ him and keeping him from doing stuff that needs doing. And like that. Like the guy in handcuffs who shouts, _“Just take these cuffs off of me so I can pound that 6-ft-7 musclebound wrestling champ to a pulp!”_ Meanwhile praying they’ve lost the keys to the cuffs. * * * > [@Velocity](#): > > …Trump is dropping massive golden boulder stones left and right. Well, he’s dropping golden _somethings_!.. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 10:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1431 "2022-08-22T22:18:35Z")
Pro se: > OK, it actually seems like a clerical mistake may have been made, unusual given the caliber of people who usually work for the man. > ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 10:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1432 "2022-08-22T22:20:26Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > Trump is dropping massive golden boulder stones left and right He’s also representing himself in his lawsuit against the US government. [https://twitter.com/SpiroAgnewGhost/status/1561818639791116289/photo/1](https://twitter.com/SpiroAgnewGhost/status/1561818639791116289/photo/1) ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1433 "2022-08-22T22:24:15Z")
There are lawyers signed on to that filing. It looks like this is filed ‘pro se’ so those lawyers don’t have to file a notice to appear or act as officers of the court or something. I’m not a lawyer so i don’t really get it. Lindsey Halligan, James Trusty, and Evan Corcoran have all signed on. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1434 "2022-08-22T22:24:47Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > OK, it actually seems like a clerical mistake may have been made, unusual given the caliber of people who usually work for the man. > > [https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1561818871929110528?t=ZnpM-k1bfSCI-8FM37GvOg&s=19](https://twitter.com/ScottMStedman/status/1561818871929110528?t=ZnpM-k1bfSCI-8FM37GvOg&s=19) Pleadings in the US federal courts are a lot more … inflammatory … than I’m used to in Canadian courts. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1435 "2022-08-22T22:25:16Z")
A lawyer named ‘Trusty’, the screenwriters are getting lazy. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1436 "2022-08-22T22:25:20Z")
never mind ---
**Author:** ![wolfpup](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wolfpup/32/10618_2.png) [@wolfpup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wolfpup)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 10:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1437 "2022-08-22T22:26:00Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > OK, it actually seems like a clerical mistake may have been made That’s too bad. Trump representing himself would be the best lawyer ever, because no one knows lawyering better than Trumpie – no one … > [@Trump having trouble finding lawyer](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trump-having-trouble-finding-lawyer/969975/31): > ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1438 "2022-08-22T22:42:29Z")
> [@Northern\_Piper](#): > > Pleadings in the US federal courts are a lot more … inflammatory … than I’m used to in Canadian courts. This one was ridiculous (and not typical). You can tell Trump told them to throw in a bunch of stuff as “background” that has no business being in there. Their actual request for a special master would be worth consideration. This is not the time to complain about the Mueller investigation or the validity of the search warrant. Just say they took a lot of stuff, and someone needs to make sure privileges are protected. I was also put off by the repeated references to “President Trump,” as if he was currently president. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1439 "2022-08-22T22:42:55Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > He wants it released, not that he’s actually gonna do it himself. No, no, NO, he “wants it released to the public”, so his allies can spin it in his favor, and all the while he can denounce what the lamestream media says about it, without really having to “do” anything. And if it actually is released, then he can just keep on going on complaining about how it hasn’t been released. See also Obama’s birth certificate. ---
**Author:** ![Northern\_Piper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/northern_piper/32/5304_2.png) [@Northern\_Piper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Northern_Piper)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2022, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1440 "2022-08-22T23:05:11Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > This one was ridiculous (and not typical). You can tell Trump told them to throw in a bunch of stuff as “background” that has no business being in there. Sure, but are there no sanctions for acting on such bad instructions? Motion to strike as frivolous and vexatious comes to mind. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=71) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=73)