# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 74
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1461 "2022-08-23T15:08:59Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚šŸ˜‚ > > Two of the lawyers mentioned above, Trusty and Cocoran, filed a petition to represent their client in Federal Court. > > Tragically, they filed this standard form incorrectly and have been instructed to do so again: > > [https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1562083251291934721?t=XDoidvaNV-p6zNxK7-aBfA&s=19](https://twitter.com/chrisgeidner/status/1562083251291934721?t=XDoidvaNV-p6zNxK7-aBfA&s=19) > > Long story short, until this is resolved, only 1 of Trumpā€™s attorneys can appear in front of Federal Court to argue his case. - Why not just hire Jerry Callow? ---
**Author:** ![chappachula](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/d2c977/32.png) [@chappachula](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chappachula)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1462 "2022-08-23T15:12:48Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > until this is resolved, only 1 of Trumpā€™s attorneys can appear in front of Federal Court to argue his case. could this be an intentional ā€œmistakeā€? Maybe to delay proceedings? Or even to file an appeal later when things go badly for Trump and they try to claim that Trump was denied proper legal representation, because the court refused to listen to the expert lawyer who was not present? It may sound stupid, but no more so than many of the election-fraud cases ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1463 "2022-08-23T15:23:07Z")
No, because the form can just be resubmitted _and_ the third attorney is already cleared to practice in Federal Court. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1464 "2022-08-23T15:26:10Z")
Iā€™m confused by this lawyer business (again). Evan Corcoran just represented Steve Bannon in his contempt trial. Wasnā€™t that in federal court? ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1465 "2022-08-23T15:28:21Z")
I didnā€™t read the motion, but it starts with ā€œ(p)olitics cannot be allowed to impact the administration of justice.ā€ The very next sentence cites Trumpā€™s political situation. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1466 "2022-08-23T15:32:33Z")
> [@Si\_Amigo](#): > > No, I think he reads the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. Not unless there is a _Comics Illustrated_ version of it. ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1467 "2022-08-23T15:35:45Z")
There are many! Just search for ā€œcomics illustratedā€ and WWII. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1468 "2022-08-23T15:39:28Z")
> [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > I didnā€™t read the motion, but it starts with ā€œ(p)olitics cannot be allowed to impact the administration of justice.ā€ The very next sentence cites Trumpā€™s political situation. Yes, this stood out for me as well. I think they forgot the implied bit at the end of the first sentence: "(p)olitics cannot be allowed to impact the administration of justice.ā€ (Unless youā€™re a Republican, then you get a free pass) ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1469 "2022-08-23T15:43:38Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > Iā€™m confused by this lawyer business (again). Evan Corcoran just represented Steve Bannon in his contempt trial. Wasnā€™t that in federal court? Yes. But this case is in Florida and the two attorneys are not members of the bar in Florida. This is a standard form for such attorneys to use if they have to represent themselves _in Federal Court_ within a state to which they are not licensed to practice. ---
**Author:** ![CurtC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ce73a5/32.png) [@CurtC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CurtC)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1470 "2022-08-23T15:48:09Z")
> [@chappachula](#): > > could this be an intentional ā€œmistakeā€? > > Maybe to delay proceedings? > Or even to file an appeal later when things go badly for Trump So Trump is playing 5D chess again? The simple answer is that Trump is not even getting lawyers from the bottom of the barrel, heā€™s getting the scum that sticks to the bottom after the lawyers at the bottom have been drained out. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1471 "2022-08-23T15:53:47Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > This is a standard form for such attorneys to use if they have to represent themselves _in Federal Court_ within a state to which they are not licensed to practice. Thanks. Makes sense. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1472 "2022-08-23T15:58:34Z")
> [@CurtC](#): > > The simple answer is that Trump is not even getting lawyers from the bottom of the barrel, heā€™s getting the scum that sticks to the bottom after the lawyers at the bottom have been drained out. I looked into the bio of the Trusty guy. He seems otherwise legit. Former state and federal prosecutor, teaches trial practice. Went to good schools. Not sure how Trump convinced him to ride with him to the depths of Hell, but Iā€™m betting it has something to do with a good payday. Hope he doesnā€™t implode like Rudy. (or maybe I should hope he does) ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1473 "2022-08-23T15:58:42Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > To be fair, he once put together a jigsaw puzzle in 3 hours even though the box said 2-4 years. Iā€™m filing this away for future use. ---
**Author:** ![Akaj](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/akaj/32/145_2.png) [@Akaj](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Akaj)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1474 "2022-08-23T16:01:26Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > > I didnā€™t read the motion, but it starts with ā€œ(p)olitics cannot be allowed to impact the administration of justice.ā€ The very next sentence cites Trumpā€™s political situation. > > Yes, this stood out for me as well. I think they forgot the implied bit at the end of the first sentence: > "(p)olitics cannot be allowed to impact the administration of justice.ā€ (Unless youā€™re a Republican, then you get a free pass) It makes perfect sense if youā€™re Trump. Since heā€™s so wonderful in every way, any action against him can only be political persecution. Stating that heā€™s a likely frontrunner in 2024 is ā€“ to him ā€“ evidence that the Mar-a-Lago search had to be politically motivated. He clearly believes that if he were definitely not running, the FBI wouldnā€™t have moved against him. ---
**Author:** ![snowthx](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowthx/32/10660_2.png) [@snowthx](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snowthx)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1475 "2022-08-23T16:04:13Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > Not sure how Trump convinced him to ride with him to the depths of Hell, but Iā€™m betting it has something to do with a good payday. I hope he got a large retainer, knowing this odious client has a penchant for stiffing people who work for him. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1476 "2022-08-23T16:13:38Z")
> [@snowthx](#): > > > [@Procrustus](#): > > > > Not sure how Trump convinced him to ride with him to the depths of Hell, but Iā€™m betting it has something to do with a good payday. > > I hope he got a large retainer, knowing this odious client has a penchant for stiffing people who work for him. - I hope he didnā€™t. Lessons need to be learned. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1477 "2022-08-23T16:13:45Z")
> [@Akaj](#): > > He clearly believes that if he were definitely not running, the FBI wouldnā€™t have moved against him. I know itā€™s been said here before butā€¦ > The FBI moved on him like a bitch. They didnā€™t even wait. When youā€™re a federal agency, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab 'em by the classified documents. You can do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1478 "2022-08-23T16:14:32Z")
Asha Rangappa, national security analyst and former Yale Law School dean, agrees with my earlier assessment that the Trump filing is a confession. > Not really, though? Trump is basing his request for a Special Master on claims of executive privilege. And docs which would implicate EP are -by definition- official documents, ergo covered by the search because they belong to NARA, not him. The filing is basically a confession > > > The Lead CNN @TheLeadCNN ---
**Author:** ![Sage\_Rat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sage_rat/32/399_2.png) [@Sage\_Rat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sage_Rat)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1479 "2022-08-23T16:19:38Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > > [@Robot\_Arm](#): > > > > I didnā€™t read the motion, but it starts with ā€œ(p)olitics cannot be allowed to impact the administration of justice.ā€ The very next sentence cites Trumpā€™s political situation. > > Yes, this stood out for me as well. I think they forgot the implied bit at the end of the first sentence: > "(p)olitics cannot be allowed to impact the administration of justice.ā€ (Unless youā€™re a Republican, then you get a free pass) The motion is pretty ridiculous in its tone and superfluous content but I think the seeming disconnect here is actually reasonable. It sounds funny to say, ā€œLetā€™s not get politics involved in this. I am the leading political leader in the world and all should vote for me!ā€ But the argument that (I believe) theyā€™re trying to make is: 1. I am a notable politician with a strong chance of success. 2. Other politicians are currently running things and they have their hands on the levers, pursuing me through the legal process, to try and block me from joining a free and fair election. 3. That should not be. Politics should not be part of the judicial process. It throws you off, here, because they bypass point #2 as so obvious that it doesnā€™t even need saying, and put the cart before the horse by leading with an incompletely stated point 3, leading into point 1. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [August 23, 2022, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1480 "2022-08-23T17:04:28Z")
> [@Sage\_Rat](#): > > ā€¦ > But the argument that (I believe) theyā€™re trying to make is: > > 1. I am a notable politician with a strong chance of success. > 2. Other politicians are currently running things and they have their hands on the levers, pursuing me through the legal process, to try and block me from joining a free and fair election. > 3. That should not be. Politics should not be part of the judicial process. > > It throws you off, here, because they bypass point #2 as so obvious that it doesnā€™t even need saying, and put the cart before the horse by leading with an incompletely stated point 3, leading into point 1. My reading is that this is by intent. That is, if the Trump team were to claim that the ā€œother politiciansā€ were attempting to ā€œblock me from joining a free and fair election,ā€ the Trump team might have to say, in court, that not only is this what they believe, but that they have actual evidence of this being true. They make this claim in public, but not to the court, where there are consequences for peddling false and misleading information. Very similar to the allegations of fraud in the 2020 election. This was broadcast high and wide to the entire nation, but when they went to court, no such claims were ever made. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=73) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=75)