# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 96
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1901 "2022-08-29T20:02:02Z")
> [@CoolHandCox](#): > > I don’t think that, but I don’t trust any government really. This is more about transparency. Garland being transparent that it was necessary. Not just a crime, which it is. But bad shit could have happened without doing this. But the problem is that Garland is in a “damned if you do damned if you don’t” type situation. If he doesn’t release everything related to the investigation then he gets accused of not being transparent, but if he did post a press release that said Trump is being investigated for treason, then he would be accused of publicizing unproven allegations to influence an election. Garland’s method to avoid partisanship is to not make Comey’s mistakes is to stay out of the public sphere as much as possible and release only what is absolutely necessary, when it is absolutely necessary. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1902 "2022-08-29T20:03:30Z")
> [@Leaper](#): > > There seems to be an assumption that literally anything Trump and his legal team ask for must _necessarily_ be facially absurd, and that anyone even considering anything they ask must be on their side, and I don’t think this is the case. Yep, I don’t share the concern about a special master being appointed. It does seem moot, however, as the DOJ is moving forward after their own review of the documents. ---
**Author:** ![MulderMuffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldermuffin/32/2862_2.png) [@MulderMuffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MulderMuffin)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1903 "2022-08-29T20:18:24Z")
I am not opposed to the appointment of a special master in the abstract, but I am in this case for the stated and underlying _reasons_ they’re requesting one. Stated reasons: to remove and return items that are under attorney-client privilege and executive privilege. He does not have any executive privileges, despite his most fervent wishing and bleating about it. And if there are in fact documents that fall under attorney-client privileges they will either be returned or can be ruled inadmissible in the event of a trial. Underlying reason: pure delay and obstruction. ---
**Author:** ![Shoeless](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shoeless/32/7099_2.png) [@Shoeless](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shoeless)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1904 "2022-08-29T20:24:44Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > Can’t find a cite on this, but Mom says she found a story that says that Trump is now blaming the _moving company_ for the fact that there were classified documents at Mar-a-Lago. > > Trump is Jake Blue. "IT WASN’T MY FAULT; I SWEAR TO **GOD!"** > > [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMkZMyn9gcU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tMkZMyn9gcU) How they got there is pretty much beside the point now. He would still need to explain why he stonewalled returning them to NARA and/or why he claimed everything had been returned when it wasn’t. But yeah, he’s _really_ starting to sound desperate now. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1905 "2022-08-29T20:28:47Z")
Trump is claiming that a _moving company_ handled classified documents? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1906 "2022-08-29T20:30:05Z")
I am genuinely surprised TFG has not blamed Barron _in public_ yet for the stolen documents. Hastily adding in his defense that he was a minor back then and so immune from prosecution. And pardoning him _a posteriori_. But it is his fault! \ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1907 "2022-08-29T21:29:54Z")
! > ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1908 "2022-08-29T21:31:29Z")
Oh I think that’s a fumble. He should keep his lips zipped and let this play out. He needs to be completely separate from this. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1909 "2022-08-29T21:33:01Z")
We don’t know what hes saying yet, it may be a “soul of the nation” speech in regards to his semi fascism remark the other day. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1910 "2022-08-29T21:33:33Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Oh I think that’s a fumble. He should keep his lips zipped and let this play out. He needs to be completely separate from this. If he hasn’t managed to do that in the last 6 years, I doubt he’s going to start tonight. But I’m happy to let him keep digging. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1911 "2022-08-29T21:35:02Z")
I’m talking about the actual President. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1912 "2022-08-29T21:36:37Z")
It would seem I entirely misread that tweet. Also, it’s Thursday, not tonight. In that case, I agree. Why would Biden be speaking about any of this? ISTM, it doesn’t really even involve him and it’s only going to serve to get the right even more pissed off than they usually are. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1913 "2022-08-29T21:38:51Z")
Yup. The Right is crying that this is merely a political hit, and so far Biden has been “I don’t know. Don’t ask me.” Feeding the Right’s talking point is a terrible idea. ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1914 "2022-08-29T21:40:03Z")
Maybe he’ll come out in a tan suit with the sleeves rolled up, say ‘just kidding’ and go home. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1915 "2022-08-29T21:40:37Z")
If he does that, I’ll vote for him again even if he doesn’t run! ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1916 "2022-08-29T21:40:51Z")
> [@MulderMuffin](#): > > Gifted link to a Washington Post article. Seems the DOJ has already gone through the material seized from Mar-a-Lago, making the appointment of a Special Master pointless. There is another possibility. That is if you are willing to believe that many Republicans are devoted tribal members who have a much higher degree of loyalty to each other than to the whole of society. It would also require believing that some Republicans are capable of corruption and might misuse information or documents to advance their partisan desires. But if you can comprehend some of those GOP members do such things . . . I found this sentence very interesting: > [In her ruling Saturday](https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763/gov.uscourts.flsd.618763.29.0.pdf), Cannon instructed the Justice Department to submit under seal a more detailed list of the materials taken by the FBI. Now some have suggested above that perhaps team Trump is concerned about what incriminating things the FBI may now have in their possession, and if they have realized it is incriminating. A detailed list of materials taken might be an excellent way to find out what the prosecution knows. You know, if it was at all possible for any judge, especially one appointed by the accused, to corruptly provide that information to the subject of the investigation secretly. But we are all sure that could never happen, not in our system of laws. > [@Atamasama](#): > > That is such a bizarre take… They are investigating him for criminal activity. None of what you said seems supported by facts. This is just my opinion of the matter at hand, but I am willing to back it up by putting skin in the game. If Donald J. Trump is found guilty of any charges from this seizure of documents (not including the Georgia election tampering or the January 6th Coup attempt which may be referenced in the seized documents), anything relating to 18 USC 793, 18 USC 2071, or 18 USC 1519, within one year-- I will donate fifty dollars to a mutually agreed upon charity. [\*\*] Are you willing to pledge the same amount if Trump is not charged, or charged but charges dropped, or if he is found not guilty/not responsible within that same same year time frame? [\*\*] The Democratic National Committee seems like a candidate, as do charities associated with choice, or gun control. It should not be hard to find a place to donate money that we both support. Today is 29 August 2022, do we have a friendly wager, a gentleman’s agreement? I will leave it to you to keep track because by Summer of next year this will be a forgotten detail of history. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1917 "2022-08-29T21:46:16Z")
Moderating: > [@Temporary\_Name](#): > > Today is 29 August 2022, do we have a friendly wager, a gentleman’s agreement? I will leave it to you to keep track because by Summer of next year this will be a forgotten detail of history. From our rules in Politics and Elections: > [@New Rules for Politics and Elections – January 2020](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/new-rules-for-politics-and-elections-january-2020/845727/1): > > **No betting.** Gambling between posters in GD and Politics and Elections over debate outcomes or real world events is forbidden. In the past we’ve had posters use this as a rhetorical device to abuse other posters and accuse them of lacking the courage of their convictions. It’s a jerk move we have decided to no longer allow. Please refrain from betting. Thanks. ETA: This rule in fact applies across all forums. I just found it first in P&E updated rules. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1918 "2022-08-29T21:54:57Z")
Team can we lay off the “the right’s gonna get upset” comments from, like, here until eternity? These people whine about ‘happy holidays’. They whine about Confederate statue removals. Of course they’re gonna whine, they are the American conservative right. That’s what they do, it’s what they’ve been doing since Limbaugh broke out of Sacramento, it is what they are going to do until we learn to ignore their keening. ---
**Author:** ![excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/e8c25b/32.png) [@excavating\_for\_a\_mind](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/excavating_for_a_mind)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1919 "2022-08-29T22:00:26Z")
I think the water is starting to warm up a bit… > **[Truth Social](https://truthsocial.com/@realDonaldTrump/posts/108906909057160138)** > > Truth Social is America's "Big Tent" social media platform that encourages an open, free, and honest global conversation without discriminating on the basis of political ideology. I know, nothing really new, but he obviously trying to rouse the rabble, at least that is what it seems to me. ETA: The best part doesn’t come through on the preview > …INTERFERENCE at a level never seen before in our Country. REMEDY: Declare the rightful winner or, and this would be the minimal solution, declare the 2020 Election irreparably compromised and have a new Election, immediately! ---
**Author:** ![Joey\_P](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/919ad9/32.png) [@Joey\_P](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Joey_P)\ **Post date:** [August 29, 2022, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1920 "2022-08-29T22:01:53Z")
And yet, he _still_ hasn’t provided a single shred of evidence that claims exists. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=95) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=97)