# FBI Search and Seizure at Trump's Mar-A-Lago Residence, August 8, 2022, Case Dismissed July 15, 2024 **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Tags:** trump\ **Created:** [August 8, 2022, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329 "2022-08-08T23:18:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 99
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1961 "2022-08-30T02:41:45Z")
> [@Aspenglow](#): > > The cultists are not well organized. The below article suggests: [Christian Nationalists](https://founders.org/reviews/christian-nationalism-in-the-united-states/) are around 51% of the US population. 51% believe: 1. _The federal government should declare the United States a Christian nation._ 2. _The federal government should advocate Christian values._ 3. T_he federal government should enforce strict separation of church and state._ 4. _The federal government should allow the display of religious symbols in public spaces._ 5. _The federal government should allow prayer in public schools._ 6. _The success of the United States is part of God’s plan._ These people _are_ organized. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1962 "2022-08-30T02:43:08Z")
We’ll see. We’re getting over our skis a bit. ETA: We’re also getting off topic and should start a new thread to discuss potential outcomes if/when Trump is charged. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1963 "2022-08-30T02:45:57Z")
> [@Joey\_P](#): > > If he runs again, I think running as an independent would be the best possible outcome. That would almost certainly split the right. I think I posted something like you said in the “Will Trump run as Independent” (or something close) thread. And I agree it would split the right, almost shatter it, hopefully. But I’ll still wager (not really!) that. he’s on the GOP presidential 2024 ticket. ---
**Author:** ![Ssounder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d07c76/32.png) [@Ssounder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ssounder)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1964 "2022-08-30T02:46:11Z")
I’ll drop it, but thanks for letting me finish my thought. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1965 "2022-08-30T02:50:05Z")
> [@Ssounder](#): > > > [@Aspenglow](#): > > > > The cultists are not well organized. ⁢ > > The below article suggests: > [Christian Nationalists](https://founders.org/reviews/christian-nationalism-in-the-united-states/) are around 51% of the US population. > […] > These people _are_ organized. ⁢ Not in my experience. At least, not in the sense meant here. Christian Nationalism is just a common believe among many different groups. They aren’t formed in some sort of militia. And they also don’t all support Trump, let alone have violent level of devotion to him. I’m pretty sure J6 was the highest number of those who did, and they clearly weren’t organized. The groups I’m worried about are more the Proud Boys and other militia groups. Not Christian Nationalists as a whole. I was one myself at an earlier point in my life, and all it meant was that I constantly prayed and would carry my Bible in school. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1966 "2022-08-30T02:53:37Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > The groups I’m worried about are more the Proud Boys and other militia groups. I think this is one reason the DOJ has been so dedicated in their prosecution of the insurrectionists and their leaders. Cut off as many of the the snakes’ heads as they can before charging the Orange Puff Adder. Do we have another open thread discussing potential outcomes of Trump being indicted? If not, we should start one. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1967 "2022-08-30T02:55:44Z")
Also, Founders Ministries is basically saying, ‘We say most people agree with us!’ It’s like Trump saying ‘Most people believe I’m the Real President™.’ ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1968 "2022-08-30T03:03:39Z")
Just started a new thread to discuss this issue in particular. Here: > [@If Trump is Charged and Arrested, and He Calls for Insurrection, What Do You Think Will Happen?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/if-trump-is-charged-and-arrested-and-he-calls-for-insurrection-what-do-you-think-will-happen/970577): > > There are a lot of views about this, starting approximately here in this thread: This thread is for those who wish to discuss this aspect of potential criminal charges against Trump and any ensuing aftermath, in more depth. ---
**Author:** ![commasense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/commasense/32/3017_2.png) [@commasense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/commasense)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1969 "2022-08-30T03:18:03Z")
> [@Ssounder](#): > > _1. The federal government should declare the United States a Christian nation._ > _2. The federal government should advocate Christian values._ > _ **3. The federal government should enforce strict separation of church and state.** _ > _4. The federal government should allow the display of religious symbols in public spaces._ > _5. The federal government should allow prayer in public schools._ > _6. The success of the United States is part of God’s plan._ [Bolding mine.] I think someone left out the word “not” from #3, since it completely contradicts every other point. > [@Ssounder](#): > > These people _are_ organized. These people are _delusional._ ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1970 "2022-08-30T03:54:17Z")
> [@Ssounder](#): > > I’m from a blue state and the majority of people/family I know are Riding the Cult Train. From my perspective, they are waiting for the midterms in hopes of getting national power back. If they lose, then what? Ask 'em & report back. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 4:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1971 "2022-08-30T04:19:35Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > We do know the obvious triggers, and they are not going to work. They aren’t going to riot for him. Agreed, because most of them have seen what happens if you riot for Trump; You get thrown under the bus and face a nice prison term. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1972 "2022-08-30T05:20:05Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > We don’t know what hes saying yet, it may be a “soul of the nation” speech in regards to his semi fascism remark the other day. Looks like this may be more the case, than any direct statements about Trump and the documents. According to a WaPo article: > [@](#): > > President Biden will deliver a prime-time address Thursday on the fight for democracy in America and “the continued battle for the soul of the nation,” a White House official said Monday, an address that is likely to confirm his growing rhetorical emphasis on the anti-democratic forces he sees as capturing much of the Republican Party. > > Speaking at Philadelphia’s Independence National Historical Park, the president is expected to highlight his administration’s achievements and argue that the [country’s democratic values will be at stake](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/26/biden-midterms-rhetoric-strategy-campaign/?itid=lk_inline_manual_4) during the midterm elections. > > “He will talk about the progress we have made as a nation to protect our democracy, but how our rights and freedoms are [still under attack](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/15/election-deniers-march-toward-power-key-2024-battlegrounds/?itid=lk_inline_manual_5),” the official said. “He will make clear who is fighting for those rights, fighting for those freedoms, and fighting for our democracy.” The official spoke on the condition of anonymity to preview the content of the speech. > **[Biden to deliver prime-time address on democracy Thursday](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/08/29/biden-primetime-philadelphia-democracy-speech/)** > > The president returns Thursday to Philadelphia to talk about the "battle for the soul of the nation" in this year's midterm elections. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1973 "2022-08-30T05:22:15Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > And there’s 40 pages of reasoning coming as to why Trump is full of shit on this issue. Only 40? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1974 "2022-08-30T05:23:04Z")
It’s the compromised second draft! ---
**Author:** ![Si\_Amigo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/si_amigo/32/2877_2.png) [@Si\_Amigo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Si_Amigo)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1975 "2022-08-30T11:37:16Z")
He should take back the flag while he is at it. Say something like all people who truely believe in Democracy should fly an American flag between now and the midterms. And then hug and kiss one. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1976 "2022-08-30T12:44:13Z")
Gonna be a super bad day for the loser who has to convert all 40 pages into pictures for Trump. ---
**Author:** ![Temporary\_Name](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/8c91f0/32.png) [@Temporary\_Name](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Temporary_Name)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1977 "2022-08-30T14:19:01Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Not in my experience. At least, not in the sense meant here. Christian Nationalism is just a common believe among many different groups. They aren’t formed in some sort of militia. > > And they also don’t all support Trump, let alone have violent level of devotion to him. I’m pretty sure J6 was the highest number of those who did, and they clearly weren’t organized. > > The groups I’m worried about are more the Proud Boys and other militia groups. Not Christian Nationalists as a whole. I was one myself at an earlier point in my life, and all it meant was that I constantly prayed and would carry my Bible in school. The movement has become somewhat more radical in recent times and has in the opinion of many abandoned Christianity and become heterodox religiously and even more overtly political. I find them to be a scary group with extremely nefarious intentions. They specifically call for actions that oppose democracy as we know it. While they do not yet practice weapons training-- they are quite militant about accomplishing their goals. I recommend reading this article on the matter. (I have others if you become interested in how they have evolved and grown and how intentional their efforts have become in the political world. In fact there are other articles on the topic in the thread linked below. > **[Underreported and Massive Theocratic Movement Joins Forces with Michael Flynn...](https://buckscountybeacon.com/2022/08/underreported-and-massive-theocratic-movement-joins-forces-with-michael-flynn-and-roger-stone/)** > > A tour featuring “Seven Mountains” Christian dominionists, Flynn, and Stone is coming to Pennsylvania. > [@The "Christians" are coming! The "Christians" are coming!](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/the-christians-are-coming-the-christians-are-coming/946304): > > I put “Christians” in quotation marks, because IMHO this doesn’t resemble anything that Jesus (if he’s your guy, or even if he isn’t) promoted. (I had eight years of Catechism classes, four years of Catholic high school, and four years of Catholic college, so I am well-informed on the subject of Christianity.) … [A Ft. Worth pastor] stood in front of the glowing map, a 38-year-old White man in skinny jeans telling a congregation of some 1,500 people what he said the Lord had told him: that … ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1978 "2022-08-30T14:32:22Z")
You’re assuming that TFG hasn’t already stolen the document. ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 3:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1979 "2022-08-30T15:14:59Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I’m pretty sure J6 was the highest number of those who did, and they clearly weren’t organized. The large majority of them were not, no. But there was a very serious core of activists who _were_ organized, and who had a specific plan they were attempting to carry out. This is the few dozen people who participated in Capitol advance scouting and who had maps of the building and who upon breach made beelines for the offices of key personnel with the intent of capturing them. These relative handful deliberately surrounded themselves with a mob of usefully clueless MAGA-dolts as conscious camouflage for their very targeted effort. In some cases, they came within literal yards of succeeding. This is how all radicalized groups operate. When al-Qaeda set up a training camp with a thousand people, they never intended every one of them to strap on a vest or hijack an aircraft. They knew they’d be cherry-picking a few ultra-zealous, ultra-reliable fighters for the critical missions. The rest of the camp was disposable rabble not worth a second thought. It’s always the way. Don’t be misled by a few thousand disorganized dummies into generalizing and dismissing the threat. That’s not how radical terrorist orgs function. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2022, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329/1980 "2022-08-30T19:24:18Z")
> [@Buck\_Godot](#): > > Some moderately high person in the FBI resigned, shortly after Chuck Grasely wrote a letter the DOJ … I just wanted to amend my previous post after finding a somewhat less biased [source](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/hunter-biden-fbi-agent-timothy-thibault-resigns/). Replace “resigned”, with “retired”, and replace “shortly after” with “a month after”. None of my usual sources of news “Wash Post, NY Times, CNN” have anything about this story so either the deep state got to them or more likely the whole thing is a big nothing burger. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=98) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-search-and-seizure-at-trumps-mar-a-lago-residence-august-8-2022-case-dismissed-july-15-2024/969329.md?page=100)