# FBI Teaches Agents: 'Mainstream' Muslims Are 'Violent, Radical' **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 15, 2011, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-teaches-agents-mainstream-muslims-are-violent-radical/596367 "2011-09-15T03:55:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 45
**Author:** ![brocks](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7feea3/32.png) [@brocks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brocks)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2011, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-teaches-agents-mainstream-muslims-are-violent-radical/596367/45 "2011-09-16T01:57:06Z")
> [@ITR\_champion](#): > > [Oh, right.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=617382&page=2) Here’s what you said: > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by **brocks** > > “conservative American Christians went to Uganda and inspired them to take Leviticus literally and enact laws calling for the death penalty for homosexuals” > > I then called you out on that lie. Rather than admitting that it was a lie, you then offered [this Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill#) as a cite. (Or rather you tried to link to it and failed, and I fixed your broken link.) Wow. Just wow. A guy who is supposedly championing honesty tells one lie or half-truth after another. First, so everybody can see what we actually wrote, [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14057974&postcount=63) is what you wrote at the time: > [@Evidence of a historical Jesus Christ](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/evidence-of-a-historical-jesus-christ/590017/63): > > Okay, well consider this. You have a very strong belief in a great many things that are flatly untrue. For example, in [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14044894&postcount=57) you wrote: > > > [@](#): > > > > Originally Posted by **brocks** > > Can you not make a case that people who say (as IIRC some congressman recently did) that there is no need to address environmental concerns, because God will take care of it, are not properly functioning in society? Are not the conservative American Christians who went to Uganda and inspired them to take Leviticus literally and enact laws calling for the death penalty for homosexuals a detriment to society? > > Now there’s no congressman who said what you claimed he said, and no American Christians have gone to Uganda and inspired them to take Leviticus literally and enact laws calling for the death penalty for homosexuals. (Some folks might say that it’s morally wrong to falsely accuse people of murder.) So looky there. I actually told TWO “lies;” one about the politicians saying God would protect the environment, and one about the Ugandan legislation. But the first one has magically disappeared from your account. You didn’t apologize for saying I made it up; you didn’t even acknowledge that it was true. You just had the good sense to shut up about it when I gave you cites for it. And now you are trying to pretend it never happened. So which of us is the liar? The one who said “IIRC, X happened,” and it actually happened, or the one who flatly stated, “there’s no congressman who said what you claimed he said,” and now pretends the whole thing never happened when he was proven wrong? > [@](#): > > I responded by pointing out that the Wikipedia article offered nothing that would back up your claim in any way, shape, or form. You sure did, but I still don’t see how you can fail to realize that you make yourself look foolish by doing so. Apparently good sense is a fleeting thing with you, because [the Wikipedia article](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Bill) absolutely confirms what I said: “The proposed legislation in Uganda, however, has been noted by several news agencies to be inspired by American [evangelical Christians](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evangelicalism).” > [@](#): > > In fact, it flatly contradicts your claim. After I pointed that out, you then linked to two articles in a British tabloid. Oh, good heavens. After you [claimed](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=14058838&postcount=79) that the links in the Wikipedia article were dead, I posted a few of them to prove that they were live. Your sneer that they are “tabloids” misleadingly hides the fact that the main cite from Wiki was the [NYT](http://www.nytimes.com/2010/01/04/world/africa/04uganda.html), so that’s more sliminess from you. You also totally misrepresented both the wiki article and the links by trying to make someone, god knows who, believe that those American evangelists just happened to be in Uganda for the scenery or something, rather than being an integral part of the conference that resulted in the legislation. The “best” thing you can say for the three evangelists is that once the shit hit the fan and normal people were horrified at what they had done, they all pleaded innocent, and said they had no idea that their demonization of homosexuals would have any repercussions. And I don’t know what your problem is with links, because the one in my post works fine, as anyone can verify, and the links in the Wiki article also work fine. Don’t blame your own incompetence on others. > [@](#): > > Neither of those articles said anything that would justify your claim either, though you did make a heroic effort to mislead by taking a quote concerning Rick Warren, unrelated to the Uganda bill, out of context in order to make it look like it supported you. So, at the moment, we’re still waiting for the first shred of evidence which in any way, shape, or form supports your claim that “conservative American Christians went to Uganda and inspired them to take Leviticus literally and enact laws calling for the death penalty for homosexuals”. Until you can provide the slightest bit of evidence that this is true, it’s certainly going to look like you’re a world-class liar. I literally don’t understand how anyone could maintain that the wiki article and its cites don’t support me, but as I said, you are entitled to your stupid opinion. The wiki article is certainly better attested than any of your so-called evidence for various Biblical events. What is not in dispute, however, is that I did not make the story up, as you continue to allege by saying I post “any lie about Christians that pops into your head, up to and including false accusations of murder” I’ve wasted enough time on you. I now truly believe you are disturbed, so there’s no point in continuing this. Everyone is welcome to read my comments in context and decide for himself who is arguing in good faith. > [@](#): > > Oh, so now, in addition to lies and silly attacks, you’re also issuing empty threats. I withdraw my “empty threat” of reporting you. When I posted that, I didn’t realize that this thread had been moved to the Pit, as I just followed the link in my list of subscribed threads. In any case, I think you need help, and I don’t want to add to your troubles. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fbi-teaches-agents-mainstream-muslims-are-violent-radical/596367)._