# FCC Repeals Net Neutrality Rule **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 14, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522 "2017-12-14T18:35:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 19
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 11:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/361 "2017-12-18T11:29:37Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Promoting the general welfare doesn’t mean what you think it does. It most certainly doesn’t mean whatever damn fool idea that pops into someone’s head, such as that they have some sort of “right” to internet access. Cite? ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/362 "2017-12-18T13:01:12Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > BWAHAHAHA!!! > > Be fair to everyone that precisely and completely agrees with them, sure. > > But when the ACLU speaker tries to speak: [the scope of the "fairness,’ is quickly exposed.](https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2017/10/05/aclu-speaker-shouted-down-william-mary) Derisive laughter is not a counterargument. It’s closer to conceding the point. It suggests you can’t make a counterargument. Your link is not only not a counterargument, but means you are doing the very thing you accusing others of doing. You choose to vilify them instead of listening to their argument about how the ACLU should not be defending the Nazi terrorists in Charlottesville, who marched with instruments of violence while shouting statements about killing Jews. As liberals, we listen to their point of view. We listen to these people who are hurting, because we care about them. Guess who also listened to them? The ACLU. After that incident, there were internal arguments about it and what they could do to not come off as defending white supremacists under guise of freedom of speech. These protesters used their freedom of speech to let their grievance be known. They protested, which specifically means trying to stop something from happening by using your speech. That they succeeded, rather than the college exercising their right to force them to leave, is not an indication that they did something wrong. There is nothing about freedom of speech that guarantees polite speech. It does not say I have to stop talking because you have chosen to talk. The proper remedy for a situation where some people come in and making where others who want to hear cannot do so is to invoke trespassing law by asking them to leave. So your post, rather than make the point you were going for, actually backs up the idea that liberals are showing empathy and fairness. Both in what the specific protesters did, and in how we listened to them. No one said that liberals are fighting for order, which is apparently what you want. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 1:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/363 "2017-12-18T13:10:02Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > As liberals, we listen to their point of view. We listen to these people who are hurting, because we care about them. Guess who also listened to them? The ACLU. After that incident, there were internal arguments about it and what they could do to not come off as defending white supremacists under guise of freedom of speech. > > These protesters used their freedom of speech to let their grievance be known. They protested, which specifically means trying to stop something from happening by using your speech. That they succeeded, rather than the college exercising their right to force them to leave, is not an indication that they did something wrong. I’m a liberal, and I think those protesters were assholes who should have been removed so that the invited guest could have been all owed to speak. So, please don’t play the “We liberals” card. Don’t speak for me. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/364 "2017-12-18T15:08:30Z")
Argument in the future on this topic: “See? Comcast is now charging $10 more a month if their subscribers want access to Netflix” “So? Why do you think you should be able to access everything on the Internet for the same price?” :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/365 "2017-12-18T15:48:10Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Argument in the future on this topic: > > “See? Comcast is now charging $10 more a month if their subscribers want access to Netflix” > > “So? Why do you think you should be able to access everything on the Internet for the same price?” > > :rolleyes: So Comcast is now charging $10 more to access HBO. Should you be able to access everything on cable for the same price? :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/366 "2017-12-18T15:54:52Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > So Comcast is now charging $10 more to access HBO. > > Should you be able to access everything on cable for the same price? > > :rolleyes: Is Comcast charging this, or is HBO? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/367 "2017-12-18T15:59:42Z")
> [@D'Anconia](#): > > Promoting the general welfare doesn’t mean what you think it does. It most certainly doesn’t mean whatever damn fool idea that pops into someone’s head, such as that they have some sort of “right” to internet access. In fact, you are specifically mistaken. **US Constitution Article I § 8** The Congress shall have Power … [COLOR=“Gray”](line 7) To establish Post Offices and post Roads [/COLOR]… “_but that has nothing to do with the internet!_” It does, though. Congress is tasked with facilitating the flow of information amongst the citizenry. That is what post offices, using the established post roads, literally do. In the modern age, those post roads should be seen to include the internet backbone. ---
**Author:** ![Steve\_MB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/steve_mb/32/5339_2.png) [@Steve\_MB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Steve_MB)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/368 "2017-12-18T16:07:51Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > **US Constitution Article I § 8** > The Congress shall have Power … > [COLOR=“Gray”](line 7) To establish Post Offices and post Roads [/COLOR]… > > “_but that has nothing to do with the internet!_” “…now excuse me; I need to clean the flintlock muzzleloader the Constitution guarantees my right to keep and bear!” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/369 "2017-12-18T16:13:56Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > In fact, you are specifically mistaken. > > **US Constitution Article I § 8** > The Congress shall have Power … > [COLOR=“Gray”](line 7) To establish Post Offices and post Roads [/COLOR]… > > “_but that has nothing to do with the internet!_” > > It does, though. Congress is tasked with facilitating the flow of information amongst the citizenry. That is what post offices, using the established post roads, literally do. In the modern age, those post roads should be seen to include the internet backbone. But firearms don’t include anything but muskets, because reasons! ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/370 "2017-12-18T16:19:48Z")
> [@Steve\_MB](#): > > “…now excuse me; I need to clean the flintlock muzzleloader the Constitution guarantees my right to keep and bear!” Only as long as you’re wearing the knee-length breeches and tricorn hat of your militia. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/371 "2017-12-18T16:29:47Z")
The kids tell me that fashion is totally “macaroni”. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/372 "2017-12-18T16:37:01Z")
> [@treis](#): > > They could route latency critical data like games and phone calls quicker than other data They could, but ineffective once the traffic leaves their network. > [@](#): > > They could offer discounted high speed plans with tight restrictions on streaming bandwidth Can do this now. > [@](#): > > They could offer privacy services where identifying data you send is randomized so sites couldn’t track you Can do this now. > [@](#): > > They could offer an adblock service where they drop ad related packets Will never do this. > [@](#): > > They could offer scam protection services where known fraudulent sites are blocked Will never do this. What else you got? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/373 "2017-12-18T16:42:13Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > These protesters used their freedom of speech to let their grievance be known. They protested, which specifically means trying to stop something from happening by using your speech. Sorry, but this isn’t what freedom of speech means to me. To stop something from happening by using your speech, to me, means using the power of your arguments to convince other people that it shouldn’t happen. It doesn’t mean crowding the stage and yelling and refusing to get off, so that the people you disagree with can’t even make their point. > [@Bricker](#): > > But firearms don’t include anything but muskets, because reasons! Are you getting younger as time goes on? I swear, i remember a time on these boards when you didn’t “debate” like a nineteen year old usenet pioneer. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/374 "2017-12-18T17:23:49Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > Are you getting younger as time goes on? I swear, i remember a time on these boards when you didn’t “debate” like a nineteen year old usenet pioneer. That’s an interesting turn of phrase. Why does the burden rest with me to debate correctly, and not with my interlocutors? ---
**Author:** ![mhendo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mhendo/32/3159_2.png) [@mhendo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mhendo)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/375 "2017-12-18T17:26:49Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > That’s an interesting turn of phrase. > > Why does the burden rest with me to debate correctly, and not with my interlocutors? It doesn’t, in particular. It’s partly a matter of expectations, i guess. But by all means, carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/376 "2017-12-18T17:33:01Z")
> [@mhendo](#): > > It doesn’t, in particular. It’s partly a matter of expectations, i guess. > > But by all means, carry on. In a boxing match, do your expectations require me to fight with one foot in a bucket of wet cement and adhere to the strict Marquis of Queensbury rules while my opponents hit me with chairs from ringside? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/377 "2017-12-18T17:34:31Z")
That’s enough with the personal comments, people. ---
**Author:** ![Ravenman](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ravenman/32/2929_2.png) [@Ravenman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ravenman)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/378 "2017-12-18T17:39:33Z")
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**Author:** ![Doughbag](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/aeb1de/32.png) [@Doughbag](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doughbag)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/379 "2017-12-18T17:40:17Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Why should the government regulate the internet in the first place? Net Neutrality = Freedom of speech Not having NN means, that any corporation makes the decision in their interest for you. NN doesn’t mean, that the Government is regulating your internet usage - it means, that the Government protects your right to freely choose and freedom of speech from corporations, by telling corporations not to regulate the internet. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/380 "2017-12-18T17:58:17Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Net Neutrality = Freedom of speech > > Not having NN means, that any corporation makes the decision in their interest for you. > > NN doesn’t mean, that the Government is regulating your internet usage - it means, that the Government protects your right to freely choose and freedom of speech from corporations, by telling corporations not to regulate the internet. But Twitter can still ban political speech it doesn’t like, right? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522.md?page=18) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522.md?page=20)