# FCC Repeals Net Neutrality Rule **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [December 14, 2017, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522 "2017-12-14T18:35:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/381 "2017-12-18T18:06:07Z")
> [@Bricker](#): > > But Twitter can still ban political speech it doesn’t like, right? Twitter is neither an ISP nor is it “the internet”. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/382 "2017-12-18T18:06:41Z")
Neither is hate speech “political”. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/383 "2017-12-18T18:08:14Z")
> [@Doughbag](#): > > Net Neutrality = Freedom of speech > > Not having NN means, that any corporation makes the decision in their interest for you. > > NN doesn’t mean, that the Government is regulating your internet usage - it means, that the Government protects your right to freely choose and freedom of speech from corporations, by telling corporations not to regulate the internet. Freedom of speech has nothing to do with corporations. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/384 "2017-12-18T18:18:38Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Freedom of speech has nothing to do with corporations. Thanks for the chuckle. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/385 "2017-12-18T18:23:40Z")
Corporations are people too, my friend. ---
**Author:** ![jerry150](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/258eb7/32.png) [@jerry150](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jerry150)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/386 "2017-12-18T18:40:42Z")
Welcome to the corporate controlled internet. only those sites and services that meet our approval will be allowed while most non approved sites will still exist it will take a loooong time to access them. Hopefully all sites will conform to the rules of not criticizing the government and extoll the virtues of “family values” and of course not be spending time on the internet when they should be in church/ ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/387 "2017-12-18T18:45:58Z")
> [@jerry150](#): > > Welcome to the corporate controlled internet. Corporations provide the internet. Who else should control it? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/388 "2017-12-18T19:06:36Z")
How about corporations that provide access to the Internet provide unfettered access to the Internet, and corporations that provide content, provide content to those who want it? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/389 "2017-12-18T19:28:04Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > How about corporations that provide access to the Internet provide unfettered access to the Internet, and corporations that provide content, provide content to those who want it? Why? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/390 "2017-12-18T19:47:34Z")
Because that provides the best benefit for the consumer of the content? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/391 "2017-12-18T20:26:25Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > Because that provides the best benefit for the consumer of the content? Why should the government mandate that outcome? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 8:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/392 "2017-12-18T20:30:15Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Why should the government mandate that outcome? Because the government should provide consumer protections from close to monopoly-level corporate power. ---
**Author:** ![ElvisL1ves](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/5daacb/32.png) [@ElvisL1ves](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElvisL1ves)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/393 "2017-12-18T20:34:44Z")
General welfare clause. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 8:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/394 "2017-12-18T20:34:49Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > Why should the government mandate that outcome? Why shouldn’t they? In fact, it’s kind of **their fucking job**! ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/395 "2017-12-18T22:11:46Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Why shouldn’t they? In fact, it’s kind of **their fucking job**! Well, it’s hard for them to do while someone’s trying to drown them in a bathtub. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/396 "2017-12-18T22:54:41Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > Why shouldn’t they? In fact, it’s kind of **their fucking job**! No, that’s not the government’s job. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 11:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/397 "2017-12-18T23:22:06Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > No, that’s not the government’s job. It bloody well is and you bloody well know it. Read the preamble to the Constitution. A free and unrestricted internet falls under **every single clause** therein. “More Perfect Union” - Check. Knowledge is Power, and the more people who have the Knowledge the better. “Establish Justice” - Check. The internet has replaced print media in the whole “Freedom of the Press” bit, which serves to keep the Government honest (for some value thereof). “Ensure Domestic Tranquility” - Check. Secrecy breeds Fascism and Tyranny. “Provide for the Common Defense” - Check. The net ties us together. Today, Paul Revere would have blasted out a text alert. “Promote the General Welfare” - Check. As everybody above has been pointing out to you. “Secure the Blessings of Liberty” - Check. Modern political campaigns are net-driven and secure most of their funding from on-line solicitations. So yeah, it \*\*is \*\*the government’s job. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/398 "2017-12-18T23:31:33Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > It bloody well is and you bloody well know it. > > Read the preamble to the Constitution. A free and unrestricted internet falls under **every single clause** therein. > > “More Perfect Union” - Check. Knowledge is Power, and the more people who have the Knowledge the better. > > “Establish Justice” - Check. The internet has replaced print media in the whole “Freedom of the Press” bit, which serves to keep the Government honest (for some value thereof). > > “Ensure Domestic Tranquility” - Check. Secrecy breeds Fascism and Tyranny. > > “Provide for the Common Defense” - Check. The net ties us together. Today, Paul Revere would have blasted out a text alert. > > “Promote the General Welfare” - Check. As everybody above has been pointing out to you. > > “Secure the Blessings of Liberty” - Check. Modern political campaigns are net-driven and secure most of their funding from on-line solicitations. > > So yeah, it \*\*is \*\*the government’s job. You realize that the Preamble has no force of law, right? Your argument is silly, at best. ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/399 "2017-12-18T23:34:21Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > _shrug_ Six pages. Thus far, the anti-NN people have offered NOTHING but “regulation bad” and pointless nit-picking. > > **How, precisely, is repealing Net Neutrality going to make the internet better for the American people as a whole?** > > For that matter, how is the service the ISPs offer any different than landlines, an undisputed Title II industry. They both involve providing communication service, after all. Couple more pages in, and while no posters on the anti-NN side has offered a straight answer to my question, I feel I can call it for “regulation bad!” as the only reason they’ll give to repeal Title II protection. The others in support in the broader world have been the ISPs themselves, for reasons of profit, and the millions of bogus emails sent in support - Russian trolls, perhaps? ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [December 18, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522/400 "2017-12-18T23:37:06Z")
> [@galen\_ubal](#): > > Couple more pages in, and while no posters on the anti-NN side has offered a straight answer to my question, I feel I can call it for “regulation bad!” as the only reason they’ll give to repeal Title II protection. According to your profile, you live in Australia. Why are you so concerned about the American people? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fcc-repeals-net-neutrality-rule/804522.md?page=21)