FCC Repeals Net Neutrality Rule

[Doughbag]

@D_Anconia

Water and heat are necessities, streaming movies is not.

Right! Getting rid of Net Neutrality is the modern day equivilent of having a Kristallnacht.
However, the Dope better make sure, they stay on the good side of the ISP or pay the bill so, that people have access to the forum.

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Online Banking? Nope, not possible with this package, except if your a Barcley customer.
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Wanna get something from an online shop? Sorry, this website is restricted, please go to Amazon.com
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Wanna play games? - pay your gaming package…Oh, sorry! Only games from EA!
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Wanna go watch YouTube? Facebook? Instagram? Twitter? - pay a Social Media package
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Enjoy your controlled Internet… welcome to North Korea, the NEW capital of Freedom of Speech and Choice!!!
Oh, you live in the USA? Same freaking thing!
USA! USA! USA!

[Slash1972]

@D_Anconia

You’re the one who claimed that the internet “is almost a necessity”

I did not claim that, actually.

[D_Anconia]

@Doughbag

Right! Getting rid of Net Neutrality is the modern day equivilent of having a Kristallnacht.
However, the Dope better make sure, they stay on the good side of the ISP or pay the bill so, that people have access to the forum.

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Online Banking? Nope, not possible with this package, except if your a Barcley customer.
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Wanna get something from an online shop? Sorry, this website is restricted, please go to Amazon.com
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Wanna play games? - pay your gaming package…Oh, sorry! Only games from EA!
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Wanna go watch YouTube? Facebook? Instagram? Twitter? - pay a Social Media package
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How did people do ALL of those things in June 2015, less than two and a half years ago?

[Doughbag]

@D_Anconia

You’re the one who claimed that the internet “is almost a necessity”.

In any case, nothing about the repeal will limit anyone’s connection to the internet.

I’m using the internet to make phone calles, it’s called voip, which provider am I allowed to use and in what hours, before they drop my calls?
So do many business do these days.

Also regular TV is more and more an internet service, not just Youtube or Netflix, so is Radio btw.

Your bills are getting delivered online… want email? A carpenter? Looking for a Garage, Restaurant? Want heating oil? Electricity? Which provider? Wanna find out how does those services in your area? They better have paid for “the find me on Google package” or else you can’t find them.
Never mind Porn, that’s a sin anyhow - so no more!!! Or pay the porn package, than that’s ok again.

Sure, we can life without the Internet… and cars… and houses, caves used to be all the rage.

[Saint_Cad]

@Bricker

And, as before, the market would punish such behavior.

I’m not convinced by that. Back when gas prices rose the airlines did the unthinkable - charging for baggage above the price of the ticket (in other words you don’t get a discount for no baggage). Of course it was only temporary while fuel prices were high. Fast forward and here we are with low fuel prices and baggage fees. Explain to me how the market has punished such behavior?

And looking back you never answered my question. If my ISP decides to block Netflix completely what are my options if they are the only reasonable choice?

[Slash1972]

@D_Anconia

How did people do ALL of those things in June 2015, less than two and a half years ago?

They did it because the order establishing NN was in February of 2015.

[Doughbag]

@D_Anconia

How did people do ALL of those things in June 2015, less than two and a half years ago?

Providers where denying services, cutting, restricing access, creating monoplies - that’s why the law was made.

Since then, more and more services have moved “online”.

[Czarcasm]

@D_Anconia

You’re the one who claimed that the internet “is almost a necessity”.

In any case, nothing about the repeal will limit anyone’s connection to the internet.

What is your position in the government that you can make such a promise?

[Fuji]

@D_Anconia

You’re the one who claimed that the internet “is almost a necessity”.

In any case, nothing about the repeal will limit anyone’s connection to the internet.

:dubious:

Try getting a job in 2017 without having internet access. Or increasingly, getting a college degree that would permit you to even qualify for such a job in the first place. Streaming video isn’t just for LOLz - it’s also for university lectures.

[sweepkick]

@D_Anconia

How did people do ALL of those things in June 2015, less than two and a half years ago?

This invalid line of reasoning has been addressed numerous times in this thread.

[Fuji]

@Doughbag

Providers where denying services, cutting, restricing access, creating monoplies - that’s why the law was made.

Since then, more and more services have moved “online”.

And more and more will continue to do so in the future. This isn’t a trend that’s reversible, short of global economic collapse. Which is exactly why your Verizons and Comcasts have spent millions of dollars trying to push this change through Congress over voters’ reasonable objections.

[yarblek]

I would really like to highlight SenorBeef on post #60. But since people don’t seems to really want to read it, I’ll make a post of my own.

A lot of people don’t understand why the 2015 rules were put in place if the internet was neutral before them. This is due to the ISPs YEAR AFTER YEAR trying to challenge, skirt and sue the FCC and who else to weaken net neutrality AND THEY SUCCEEDED in 2013 so many of the previous provisions that were in place COULD NOT BE APPLIED ANYMORE. The FCC did NOW not have the rules in place to regulate ISPs in terms of guaranteeing net neutrality. Therefore ISPs had to be RECLASSIFIED under Tittle II regulations.

Here is a pretty good clip of some comedian explaining it pretty well: Net Neutrality II: Last Week Tonight with John Oliver (HBO) - YouTube

Also there are several lists over the internet that you find by searching for “net neutrality violations list” or similar. Here is one you can find remarkably easily: https://www.freepress.net/blog/2017/…-brief-history Or if you don’t like that one, here is another one: https://np.reddit.com/r/KeepOurNetFr...81&st=JAA62V5F. I’m sure you all are intelligent enough to do your own research.

Can someone who didn’t understand why the 2015 rule change happened please tell me they understand now?

[Slash1972]

@Fuji

And more and more will continue to do so in the future. This isn’t a trend that’s reversible, short of global economic collapse. Which is exactly why your Verizons and Comcasts have spent millions of dollars trying to push this change through Congress over voters’ reasonable objections.

Yes. The fact that Comcast is happy about the repeal should tell everyone exactly what they need to know about the repeal.

[Doughbag]

@D_Anconia

You’re the one who claimed that the internet “is almost a necessity”.

In any case, nothing about the repeal will limit anyone’s connection to the internet.

Is Remote surgery an essential service?

[Pleonast]

My primary complaint with removing net neutrality is that I am already paying for my bandwidth. I do not like mine ISP reselling the bandwidth I’ve already paid for to someone else.

But the real problem with the current internet infrastructure is the local monopoly. Potential problems caused by lack of net neutrality could be alleviated by having a competitive market. If we’re going to deregulate, let’s do it for real and open up access. For example, only allow an ISP to violate net neutrality in neighborhoods where they have less than a majority of the market share. That would spur innovation.

@Bricker

I’m trying to understand who might have standing to sue to force rules to stay in place, and what specific cause of action their suit might identify. This is not my area of law, though, so I got nothin’. What are you picturing?

My contract with mine ISP specifies the bandwidth delivered. If the ISP is intentionally reducing my bandwidth because of who I’m communicating with, they are in breach of the contract. Of course, it’d go to binding arbitration instead of the courts, so maybe not such a good example.

[Slash1972]

Right now, I pay a set fee to access to every site, service, application, etc. that exists on the Internet.

What service do people think Comcast can now offer to me that will be better than what I already have?

[k9bfriender]

@Slash1972

Yes. The fact that Comcast is happy about the repeal should tell everyone exactly what they need to know about the repeal.

The repeal of net neutrality will make these companies make more money, right?

It seems that that is really the only important consideration.

If you learn to prioritize the profits of giant corporations over any and all other consideration, I’m sure you will come around.

[Eonwe]

@Bricker

Did they? They passed other VOIP traffic, but blocked the Vonage VOIP?

I know this is yesterday’s news, but, really?
“I wasn’t allowed into the building!”

“No, sir. The rule is, nobody named Bricker is allowed into the building. In no way is this rule specifically aimed at you personally; just all “Brickers” in general. Therefore, claiming that you aren’t allowed in is just wrong!”

“So, I can enter the building?”

“No, you’re not allowed.”

[Dinsdale]

@Slash1972

Right now, I pay a set fee to access to every site, service, application, etc. that exists on the Internet.

What service do people think Comcast can now offer to me that will be better than what I already have?

None obviously. But you will benefit from being allowed to pay a (possibly) lower rate for access to a limited number of sites who consider it to their financial benefit to enable your access. An additional benefit will likely be the opportunity to pay more and contract with multiple vendors to obtain the access that is currently seamless. And if you like to post material on-line, you’ll undoubtedly appreciate the added costs and decreased viewership.

Can’t imagine why you don’t see that. I bet you also don’t see the clear benefits you will reap from decreasing tax liabilities of corporations and wealthy individuals. :smack:

[silenus]

@Bricker

You’re sure?

I’m trying to understand who might have standing to sue to force rules to stay in place, and what specific cause of action their suit might identify. This is not my area of law, though, so I got nothin’. What are you picturing?

What is happening as I type. 17 states have already filed suit to stop the FCC from gutting net neutrality. I expect most of the rest of them to file by the middle of next week. Included in the 17 are such hotbeds of liberalism as Mississippi, Kentucky, North Carolina and Iowa, along with the expected California, Oregon, Washington, Hawaii, Massachusetts, Pennsylvania, Maine, Vermont, Delaware, Illinois, Maryland and Virginia.