# Fear the Walking Dead: 1.02 "So Close, Yet So Far" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 30, 2015, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447 "2015-08-30T23:51:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/101 "2015-09-01T20:53:39Z")
> [@grude](#): > > How did the principal get bit and die and revive in a matter of hours from a bite on his back, why would they even leave the school open if no students are there? My experience is if not enough kids show up due to some disaster or weather they close early. Didn’t the Counselor lady use her key to get in? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/102 "2015-09-01T21:16:49Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Those were non-speaking roles, right? All three of the black guys were named and had speaking roles- if they hadn’t been bitten, they could’ve been recurring characters. Could you say the same of the junkies? > > Also- are there \*any \*black characters left in the show, now? Gloria’s name was Gloria. :rolleyes: As for what color the folks left in the show are, I don’t keep track. I’ve not seen this episode yet, is the boyfriend alive? ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/103 "2015-09-01T21:21:04Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > All lives matter but some lives matter more than others? That’s not what the slogan is saying. The idea behind it is that the current status quo is that black lives don’t matter as much as other lives, as evidenced by their increased likelihood of being incarcerated or even outright murdered by police. That’s the state of affairs we live in. The slogan “Black Lives Matter” is a call to address the inequity, to stop allowing black lives to matter less than others. The response “All Lives Matter” is to flatly deny the inequity, and is a tacit affirmation of the status quo. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/104 "2015-09-01T21:22:11Z")
> [@carnivorousplant](#): > > Gloria’s name was Gloria. > :rolleyes: > > As for what color the folks left in the show are, I don’t keep track. I’ve not seen this episode yet, is the boyfriend alive? I think we can write off Gloria as having died before the show even began. The trope of the writers killing off black people is so well established that one has to wonder if they are doing it on purpose this time. ---
**Author:** ![Geek\_Mecha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ecae2f/32.png) [@Geek\_Mecha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Geek_Mecha)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/105 "2015-09-01T21:25:25Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Yet, surely you acknowledge that there are _tons_ of detached houses in L.A., even if the people _you_ know don’t live in them\*. That’s a very weird thing to nitpick on. I used to live there too, and it was extremely common to meet people who lived in a house that they simply rented (often sharing the rent with others, as people also do in apartments), or if they _were_ the owners they often had to rent a room or two to other tenants to help make the mortgage (even if they have a family, which I’ve always thought of as kind of an awkward living arrangement). Although particular characters living beyond their means is to be expected in the world of TV. Tell me, how many millions of people do I need to know and living situations do I need to consider before it’s ok to think it was unusual? Probably the real issue is it’s getting harder and harder for me to excuse TWD/FTWD’s flaws, so it doesn’t take much to kick me out of them. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/106 "2015-09-01T21:27:44Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > What a coincidence, I’m just beginning to think that your posts are somewhat racist. Not that you’re a racist, of course, but your posts seem to be something from an Only Black Lives Matters type of person. All lives matter, even TV zombies. Oh. Do go on. Tell us more about this “Only Black Lives Matter” movement you speak of and how it pertains to this show… ---
**Author:** ![D\_Anconia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/67e7ee/32.png) [@D\_Anconia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Anconia)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/107 "2015-09-01T21:30:40Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > So how many black characters are left, at this point? What difference could it possibly make? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/108 "2015-09-01T21:34:38Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Are you aware that your posts in this thread come off as kind of racist? > > Not saying that you’re racist, of course, but you are belaboring a point I might expect to see argued on Stormfront. From what I can tell from **doorhinge’s** posting history is he’s more of the type of white guy who thinks racism isn’t as prominent or much of a reality anymore. Like a racism denialist. Which is still a form of racism I suppose, or an ignorance of the world around you. YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/109 "2015-09-01T21:35:32Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Nice racist spin. > > Where’d the “Only” come from? That’s (meaningfully) not part of the actual slogan. > > The response “All Lives Matter” is inherently racist. Hahahaha. You’re a hoot. All Lives Matter means that all lives matter. Including the lives of the actors, directors, writers, and casting directors of zombie shows. Your attempt at intimidation has failed. All live matter. Long live the zombies. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/110 "2015-09-01T21:36:52Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What difference could it possibly make? Um, because one of the complaints about the original show is that the black guys get killed off? I mean, it’s like a thing we’ve talked about here, and everything. And in the first two episodes of the new series, \*all \*of the black male characters got killed off. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/111 "2015-09-01T21:37:46Z")
> [@D\_Anconia](#): > > What difference could it possibly make? In case you didn’t notice, everyone’s been crying foul on FTWD not just continuing 'The Black Dude Dies First" trope, but pushing it to its limits. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/112 "2015-09-01T21:39:39Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > Oh. Do go on. > > Tell us more about this “Only Black Lives Matter” movement you speak of and how it pertains to this show… After you explain **Ellis Dee** ’s obsession with Stormfront. ---
**Author:** ![Rigamarole](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/77aa72/32.png) [@Rigamarole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rigamarole)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/113 "2015-09-01T21:40:16Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Um, because one of the complaints about the original show is that the black guys get killed off? Except I’m pretty sure a lot more white characters have been killed off than black ones. And they haven’t killed off _any_ of the one Asian characters! Really though, who gives a fuck? ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/114 "2015-09-01T21:41:08Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > In case you didn’t notice, everyone’s been crying foul on FTWD not just continuing 'The Black Dude Dies First" trope, but pushing it to its limits. (Underline added) Who is this “everyone” you believe you speak for? I’d like to know who I’m addressing. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/115 "2015-09-01T21:41:55Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > (Underline added) > > Who is this “everyone” you believe you speak for? I’d like to know who I’m addressing. It’s a figure of speech. Get a grip, dude. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/116 "2015-09-01T21:43:55Z")
> [@Rigamarole](#): > > Except I’m pretty sure a lot more white characters have been killed off than black ones. And they haven’t killed off _any_ of the one Asian characters! > > Really though, who gives a fuck? Well mostly no one, really. But the trope is such an eye roller at this point, it seems they’re willingly trolling us with it. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/117 "2015-09-01T21:49:10Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > Um, because one of the complaints about the original show is that the black guys get killed off? I mean, it’s like a thing we’ve talked about here, and everything. > > And in the first two episodes of the new series, \*all \*of the black male characters got killed off. It’s a ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE show. In case you don’t understand the premise, most of the characters will die. Horribly. And then they will have to be killed again. And again, in some cases. You can try and make this a racial issue but I don’t believe eVeRyOne is buying your spin. ---
**Author:** ![Lightnin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightnin/32/180_2.png) [@Lightnin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightnin)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/118 "2015-09-01T21:51:20Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > It’s a figure of speech. Get a grip, dude. I seriously suspect he’s trying to pedanticize (not a word) his position. Or something. He seems to be really trying to avoid admitting that black men have a really short life on the two series. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/119 "2015-09-01T21:52:00Z")
> [@cmyk](#): > > It’s a figure of speech. Get a grip, dude. It’s a zombie show, dude. EvErYoNe dies except for the hero. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/120 "2015-09-01T21:52:40Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > You can try and make this a racial issue but I don’t believe eVeRyOne is buying your spin. Quite a few viewers of both the original show and this spin-off have noticed the tendency, and find it worth discussing. You’re under no obligation to join in, of course. But by the same token, it’s really not up to you to shut down the discussion, either. (I apologize to the mods if that observation is considered to be out of line in this sub-folder.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447.md?page=7)