# Fear the Walking Dead: 1.02 "So Close, Yet So Far" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 30, 2015, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447 "2015-08-30T23:51:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 7
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/121 "2015-09-01T21:53:32Z")
> [@Lightnin](#): > > I seriously suspect he’s trying to pedanticize (not a word) his position. Or something. He seems to be really trying to avoid admitting that black men have a really short life on the two series. I notice you’re really good at making up words. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/122 "2015-09-01T21:55:30Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > Quite a few viewers of both the original show and this spin-off have noticed the tendency, and find it worth discussing. > > You’re under no obligation to join in, of course. But by the same token, it’s really not up to you to shut down the discussion, either. (I apologize to the mods if that observation is considered to be out of line in this sub-folder.) I’m not trying to shut down the discussion. I’m participating in it. And did you just call me a “token”? ---
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/123 "2015-09-01T21:57:33Z")
So far the death count is: white guy junkie (bloody throat guy that Nick sees before he sees Gloria) Gloria (white) black junkie (Gloria was eating him) white guy on tv who attacks a cop, filled with lead and then a headshot Calvin (black)\* white junkie chick (headshot) black Principal \* neighbor guy (white or Hispanic)\* (although he may have just coughed onscreen) (and probably the neighbor lady he attacked, I believe she’s Hispanic)\* Matt (bit but not yet turned) (black)\* \*Indicates they had speaking roles. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/124 "2015-09-01T23:47:02Z")
> [@grude](#): > > If anyone is curious, the show is apparently taking place in August 2010. > > [[FTWD SPOILERS] This pretty much confirms when the apocalypse took place. - Imgur](http://i.imgur.com/TagunqC.jpg) Thanks. There’s a [map](http://images.sync.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/FTWD-102-SS-23-ju980y87giou.pdf) on AMC’s Story Sync, not quite as exciting as last weeks bonus document. The sneak peak for next week on the other hand. It looks like Los Angeles as been place under quarantine and the FAA’s grounded flights (either as part of the quarantine or dead passenger reanimating during flight). > [@grude](#): > > Remember the Herschel farm plot which seemed batshit insane where he wanted to keep the zombies alive so they could be cured? Even though they were visibly rotting and decaying? > > That plot could work on this show, protesters and family members seeing their relatives as sick and curable makes sense in the beginning. True. Or even just have people refusing to turn over their dead relatives because they want proper funerals instead of being burned like piles of garbage ala the original **Dawn of the Dead**. ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 1, 2015, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/125 "2015-09-01T23:53:02Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I’m not trying to shut down the discussion. I’m participating in it. And did you just call me a “token”? You’re most likely some kind of T-word. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/126 "2015-09-02T01:12:26Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > The slogan “Black Lives Matter” is a call to address the inequity, to stop allowing black lives to matter less than others. > > The response “All Lives Matter” is to flatly deny the inequity, and is a tacit affirmation of the status quo. Thank you for the explanation, but I disagree with the last part. Perhaps you can come up with a better phrase. ---
**Author:** ![Idle\_Thoughts](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/838e76/32.png) [@Idle\_Thoughts](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Idle_Thoughts)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/127 "2015-09-02T01:57:31Z")
Let’s get back to the discussion of the show and drop the “is it racist?” hijack. You’re free to have that discussion too, but let’s move it, perhaps, into the Pit or GD, because it’s starting to cause a rather big sideline in this thread…including rule breakings like this one: > [@cmyk](#): > > You’re most likely some kind of T-word. This still counts as calling others trolls outside of the Pit, no matter how subtle or sneaky you try to do it, so don’t do it. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 2:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/128 "2015-09-02T02:13:29Z")
I like that the cops immediately put down purple hair girl with a shot to the head - they seem to have learned quickly. So, again, how do we lose this war? ---
**Author:** ![cmyk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmyk/32/3353_2.png) [@cmyk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmyk)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/129 "2015-09-02T03:59:54Z")
> [@simster](#): > > I like that the cops immediately put down purple hair girl with a shot to the head - they seem to have learned quickly. > > So, again, how do we lose this war? Denial of who/what the real enemy is. ---
**Author:** ![BrassyPhrase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ea666f/32.png) [@BrassyPhrase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrassyPhrase)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/130 "2015-09-02T05:46:53Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Thanks. There’s a [map](http://images.sync.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/FTWD-102-SS-23-ju980y87giou.pdf) on AMC’s Story Sync, not quite as exciting as last weeks bonus document. The sneak peak for next week on the other hand. > > \*\*. Do you do the Story Sync? Is it worth it? We generally record both this and TWD so we can ffw thru commercials. Also, lights out, all other devices down for both. ---
**Author:** ![Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/half_man_half_wit/32/21766_2.png) [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Half_Man_Half_Wit)\ **Post date:** [September 2, 2015, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/131 "2015-09-02T21:17:07Z")
I’m a bit disappointed we’re not seeing more of the larger world going to pieces, perhaps through some character with more perspective—a doctor, cop, perhaps politician or something. Instead, we’re just getting the ‘small social group fights for survival’ kind of thing again, which I don’t really think needs a new show. The perspective just seems too narrow, and doesn’t really bring anything new. Show a bit of ‘there’s this strange flu going around’, some vague buildup of paranoia—that cough, are you infected?—nobody knowing what happens, officials trying to find some way to identify/fight what’s happening, that kind of stuff. Instead, the first thing we got was full-on zombie… Of course, that’s what we knew this would lead to, but I would’ve liked to see the story develop, the first signs that something’s amiss, etc. Not that that’s never been done before, exactly, but it’s considerably more fresh than the struggle for survival, which again is also what we’re already getting with the original show. Coupled with some of the utterly stupid decisions by the characters, shoddy writing, and so far not really anyone likeable emerging, I’m not sure if this show’s for me. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/132 "2015-09-03T00:04:42Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I’m a bit disappointed we’re not seeing more of the larger world going to pieces, perhaps through some character with more perspective—a doctor, cop, perhaps politician or something. That would be interesting, but it would require a lot of time away from their show. Let them know that it would be cool, and they would probably do it. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 1:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/133 "2015-09-03T13:33:07Z")
> [@Half\_Man\_Half\_Wit](#): > > I’m a bit disappointed we’re not seeing more of the larger world going to pieces, perhaps through some character with more perspective—a doctor, cop, perhaps politician or something. (post shortened) AFAIK, the show is being written from the perspective of the main characters that have been introduced to date. As they discover the great unknown, the viewers will see how they respond to each new surprise. Of course, it would certainly be easy for the writers to introduce new, more knowledgeable, main characters, just as they could kill off everyone we’ve met so far. The suspense is killing me. 😃 Not that most of the viewers don’t have a better understanding of what is currently occurring during this prequel, if that’s the right word, but we might discover why it happened. Who screwed up, and when? If I remember correctly, it takes two months from the beginning of the outbreak to operation Wildfire (the bombing of some cities). Then there are another four months before Rick’s group makes it to the CDC in Georgia. Those are two set points in the story line. The rest is up to the writers. ---
**Author:** ![theR](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/977dab/32.png) [@theR](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/theR)\ **Post date:** [September 3, 2015, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/134 "2015-09-03T14:39:27Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Thanks. There’s a [map](http://images.sync.amctv.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/FTWD-102-SS-23-ju980y87giou.pdf) on AMC’s Story Sync, not quite as exciting as last weeks bonus document. The sneak peak for next week on the other hand. > > It looks like Los Angeles as been place under quarantine and the FAA’s grounded flights (either as part of the quarantine or dead passenger reanimating during flight). > > True. Or even just have people refusing to turn over their dead relatives because they want proper funerals instead of being burned like piles of garbage ala the original **Dawn of the Dead**. You don’t even have to look at fiction. Look at the recent outbreak of Ebola in Africa. Local burial customs very much made the outbreak worse and health officials had a hard time getting people to stop. For this show, it would be simple to tell all living people that they need to destroy the brain of anyone that dies or turn over the bodies immediately so someone else can do it, but getting people to actually do it is a different story. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [September 7, 2015, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/135 "2015-09-07T21:57:59Z")
True, the writers could create plenty of drama just by having the government admit that the bodies of the recently deceased are returning to life, cue widespread conspiracy theories and utter disbelief at something so preposterous. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2015, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447/136 "2015-09-08T00:55:04Z")
Nothing to add but wow is the mother stupid. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-02-so-close-yet-so-far-open-spoilers/729447.md?page=6)