# Fear the Walking Dead: 1.06 "The Good Man" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 4, 2015, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562 "2015-10-04T23:28:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/41 "2015-10-05T18:27:33Z")
In the Romero zombie movie canon… yes, that’s it. When you die, you stay dead for about fifteen minutes give or take, and then you’re a zombie. In the first season of TWD, Dr. Jenner at the CDC in Atlanta explains that this is because of a disease; he doesn’t specify if it’s a virus or bacteria or what. We see on a wall screen what happens to a brain upon somatic death… and reanimation. Jenner was working on the disease, as were a French team, but as the power grid failed and civilization collapsed, this became futile, and Jenner winds up blowing up the building to destroy the other harmful viruses and diseases stored inside. Later, Rick says that “we’ve all got it.” The implication is that there is an airborne zombie disease, everyone is infected, but as long as your immune system fends it off, you’re fine. When the immune system fails, or you die by some other method not involving brain damage… you reanimate as a zombie. Human bites are nasty, and will usually get infected if not treated, but they’re not generally fatal. Zombie bites seem to be something different, as medical personnel in both shows have said that zombie bites will go septic and kill you in a short time (days?) …and then you reanimate. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/42 "2015-10-05T18:34:04Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > They’ve made it clear in both TWD and FtWD that it’s not a communicable disease, infection, virus, or anything that can be transmitted. It’s a new condition that everyone has. If anyone dies, for any reason, anywhere on the planet, they rise as a zombie. Liza spelled this out again for us at the end of the episode. > > There is no reason to think that the fatal infection you get from bites can be treated with antibiotics. > . So without being exposed to any type of virus all of humanity spontaneously developed this condition that turns everyone into a zombie upon death? ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/43 "2015-10-05T18:48:42Z")
Look at the post directly above yours. Yes, there is a disease of some sort. What we probably will never know is how this bug got spread planetwide in a VERY short period of time. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/44 "2015-10-05T19:11:54Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > What we probably will never know is how this bug got spread planetwide in a VERY short period of time. chemtrails…duh. ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/45 "2015-10-05T19:24:44Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > A thing just occurred to me. > > The soldiers took Griselda because she was badly injured. They took Nervous Breakdown guy because he was a “head case,” a loose cannon. Presumably. They took Nick because he was a junkie. > > Why was Strand locked up? I wondered about this myself. My WAG is that maybe he was just wandering in an unsafe zone and they placed him there to observe. Maybe it was before they decided to just wipe out everybody? > [@EllisDee](#): > > They’ve made it clear in both TWD and FtWD that it’s not a communicable disease, infection, virus, or anything that can be transmitted. It’s a new condition that everyone has. If anyone dies, for any reason, anywhere on the planet, they rise as a zombie. Liza spelled this out again for us at the end of the episode. > > There is no reason to think that the fatal infection you get from bites can be treated with antibiotics. > > Seems weird that Strand went out of his way to save Nick when Nick did nothing to help him escape. People that came for Nick helped him, sure, but that’s a horrible bet. Of all the people in the detention center, Nick is the last one you’d think would have rescuers. Liza said that the infection from bites wasn’t treatable, they had tried everything. As for Strand saving Nick, he probably thought he’d be useful and easy to control because of his addiction, maybe Strand has some drugs stashed, and when/if he’s not useful anymore then you can always Shane him and shoot him in the knee when you need to escape a horde of Zombies. ETA: I meant to add how all the leaving doors open shit was driving me nuts and then they finally shut a door behind them and it has a security lock. I thought,“oh yeah, that’s going to bite them in the ass and no one will ever shut a door behind them again.” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/46 "2015-10-05T20:04:56Z")
> [@Critical1](#): > > chemtrails…duh. Don’t be silly-- it’s fluoride in the water! ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/47 "2015-10-05T20:59:56Z")
On the Talking Dead segment, the actor who plays Travis surprised me with something I hadn’t worked out for myself, but which presumably Salazar had – Travis had made a deal that if he let the soldier go, the soldier would kill Salazar. The soldier instead decided to shoot Ophelia. At that point, Travis’ viciously beating the guy to a pulp was not only vengeance for Ophelia, but was also compounded by a need to cover up his plot and to expiate his guilt. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/48 "2015-10-05T21:10:11Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > On the Talking Dead segment, the actor who plays Travis surprised me with something I hadn’t worked out for myself, but which presumably Salazar had – Travis had made a deal that if he let the soldier go, the soldier would kill Salazar. The soldier instead decided to shoot Ophelia. At that point, Travis’ viciously beating the guy to a pulp was not only vengeance for Ophelia, but was also compounded by a need to cover up his plot and to expiate his guilt. Okay, I watched the “Talking Dead” episode, but was distracted a bit at different times during the airing. I missed that line completely. Fascinating! ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/49 "2015-10-05T21:18:51Z")
I’m still tryin’ to figure out why the soldier felt the need to shoot Ophelia. That has yet to make any sense. ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/50 "2015-10-05T21:29:41Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > I’m still tryin’ to figure out why the soldier felt the need to shoot Ophelia. That has yet to make any sense. In a previous episode, after making a scene at the main gate, Ophelia brought the soldier back to her house so Salazar the Butcher could torture him. I assume it was pay back time. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/51 "2015-10-05T21:39:26Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > In a previous episode, after making a scene at the main gate, Ophelia brought the soldier back to her house so Salazar the Butcher could torture him. I assume it was pay back time. …true, but given the choice between shooting one or the other, I’d have chosen the one who tortured me. Then again, he had NO idea that Travis was about to pounce on him, so maybe he thought he could pull a twofer. ---
**Author:** ![Critical1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/3e96dc/32.png) [@Critical1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Critical1)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/52 "2015-10-05T22:52:17Z")
Given a choice I think he shot Ophelia because it would hurt Salazar more than shooting him would have. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 5, 2015, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/53 "2015-10-05T22:57:05Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > So without being exposed to any type of virus all of humanity spontaneously developed this condition that turns everyone into a zombie upon death? Yes, exactly. > [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > In the first season of TWD, Dr. Jenner at the CDC in Atlanta explains that this is because of a disease; he doesn’t specify if it’s a virus or bacteria or what. We see on a wall screen what happens to a brain upon somatic death… and reanimation. Actually, Jenner says they have no idea what it is: virus, disease, or act of god. > [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > Look at the post directly above yours. Yes, there is a disease of some sort. We have no evidence of any kind of disease. The best evidence we have is Jenner, who doesn’t have the first clue what it is, or if it’s even a disease at all. The events in both shows are strong evidence that it’s not a communicable disease. Humanity just woke up with the condition one day, out of the blue. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/54 "2015-10-06T00:05:32Z")
> [@EllisDee](#): > > Yes, exactly. > > Actually, Jenner says they have no idea what it is: virus, disease, or act of god. > > We have no evidence of any kind of disease. The best evidence we have is Jenner, who doesn’t have the first clue what it is, or if it’s even a disease at all. > > The events in both shows are strong evidence that it’s not a communicable disease. Humanity just woke up with the condition one day, out of the blue. Durn. Now I gotta go back and watch those episodes again… ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/55 "2015-10-06T00:20:27Z")
I recall that Strand tells drug boy that he needs a person with his particular talents to help in his escape. I’m wondering what he meant by that. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/56 "2015-10-06T00:29:38Z")
> [@Dingbang](#): > > …They leave the neighborhood without telling anyone what’s up? Dick move number one. > They don’t even bother to close the fucking gate behind them? Dick move number two. > They lead a horde of zombies to overrun a secure facility and kill who knows how many people so they _might_ be able to get their loved ones? HUGE dick move number three… I’ll give them a pass on the 1st one since telling the neighbors would take up valuable time and there’s the awkward matter of explaining that you’ve been torturing a soldier in the basement. But it was still a dick move to leave the gate open, hopefully what’s left of the USAF bombs the neighborhood before the horde hits it. > [@Laggard](#): > > …Anyway, not sure why she needed to die at the end. They’re leaving anyway. Just leave her. > > Is there going to be another season? That’s a horribly cruel think to do to Liza, Madison agreed it was a fate worse than death (which is why she made Liza promise to shoot her rather let her reanimate). The best thing to do is just lie to Chris and tell them his mother shot herself. Season 2 was ordered before the pilot aired. > [@grude](#): > > Its the LA area, it might not rain for months at a time. The yacht is also a very visible magnet for human raiders/rapers. They also can’t refuel so they would need to stay in sight of shore when they run out, its a very visible sitting duck for humans. Yeah, that didn’t look like a sailing yacht. Plus I doubt anyone other Strand has any idea how to operate & maintain one. > [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > …8. What the hell was up with Strand’s Ride, aka Captain Cufflinks? I can appreciate he’d want Strand to kill him, but I’m still wondering why he just lay there and let a zombie snack on his leg. Paralyzed? Did I miss something?.." He was distracting the zombie from Nick & Strand. > [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > And if that’s not enough, they’ve released a new web series: \*Fear the Walking Dead: Flight 462. \*[First episode is here.](http://io9.com/check-out-the-first-episode-of-the-walking-deads-zombi-1734672451) Looks good. I wonder if this is meant to be the airliner we saw careening out of control over LA a few epis ago. Word is one of the characters from the webisode will show up in season 2. > [@Laggard](#): > > The medical facility was part of the military base right? Why wasn’t it overrun also? > > And my wife asked a good question: what about Hawaii? Would it be immune from the spread of the virus? The medical facility where Liza was working was a field hospital put together on a community college campus. They were supposed to be evacuated to Edwards Air Force Base; I don’t think that’s fallen _yet_. As for Hawaii, if this is a pathogen then everyone ends up carrying a dormant version that only activates on death. Hawaii would already be dealing zombies. Now it is possible that being a series of islands and having a lot military personnel on the ground might make it easier for the local authorities to get a handle on the crisis, but Hawaii imports most of it’s food. Things would get real ugly real fast once the supply chain breaks down. New Zealand might be a better, assuming it’s government can get the situation under control. ---
**Author:** ![Master\_Wang-Ka](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/master_wang-ka/32/3325_2.png) [@Master\_Wang-Ka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Master_Wang-Ka)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/57 "2015-10-06T00:45:27Z")
I had no idea Captain Cufflinks was so enamored of Strand and Nick that he’d lie perfectly still and allow a zombie to eat his leg, just to keep it busy. I am curious about that airliner myself. And based on online sources, Dr. Jenner at the CDC didn’t precisely know WHAT the pathogen was… but it affected his wife’s brain very much like existing pathogens. Regrettably, researching a previously unknown pathogen seems to be a lengthy process, and the apocalypse didn’t give him enough time. I have a tough time with “one of the laws of reality has simply changed.” Hell, that’s worse than the “space probe from Venus” explanation we get in _Night Of The Living Dead_. However, Kirkman’s been fairly mealymouthed about it, and has indicated that he doesn’t much care, so long as he has zombies to play with… ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/58 "2015-10-06T01:14:11Z")
> [@Master\_Wang-Ka](#): > > I have a tough time with “one of the laws of reality has simply changed.” The dead walk. One of the laws of reality has clearly changed. Regardless of what disease, virus, pathogen or bacteria could do, it’s clearly not possible for a purely biological (as opposed to supernatural) agent to create the zombie effect. As Shane so ably demonstrated, [zombies aren’t people. They’re dead.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcPKS6Rr8zY) ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/59 "2015-10-06T01:28:45Z")
Well, once again, I’ve decided that the only decent recent (say last 10 years) zombie fiction was John Ringo’s. Although now I’m wishing that they cast a whole version of TWD with nothing but actors like Colman Domingo, Billy Dee Williams, James Earl Jones… ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [October 6, 2015, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562/60 "2015-10-06T01:37:40Z")
Why did soldier-boy follow them to the complex instead of, y’know, getting the fuck outta town? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-1-06-the-good-man-open-spoilers/733562.md?page=4)