# Fear the Walking Dead: 2.02 "We All Fall Down" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [April 18, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517 "2016-04-18T00:14:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 12:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/1 "2016-04-18T00:14:27Z")
[QUOTE=AMC] The group seeks shelter with a survivalist family; Salazar tries to reveal Strand’s intentions. [/QUOTE] Kim Dickens, Lou Diamond Phillips and Lyndie Greenwood are on **Talking Dead**. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/2 "2016-04-18T02:28:40Z")
Meh, so apparently either; the _Canadian_ government is pursuing the exact same policy as the US, or we’ve gone to war with Canada. :dubious: Or the writers just forgot Vancouver is in a foreign country. And I’m not usually one to complain about the next episode trailers, but I could’ve done without that particular spoiler (even if it was exactly what I saw coming). :rolleyes: Oh, and at least satellite phones are still working. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 2:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/3 "2016-04-18T02:33:37Z")
Please don’t talk about stuff in the next episode preview as some of us don’t watch those and don’t want even tiny spoilers. Teen boy must have been a pharmacist in a previous life. Poison pills (whatever that is) are something every drug addict would recognize on sight? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/4 "2016-04-18T02:35:29Z")
I liked it when Travis was talking to the survivalist dude while he was explaining that cities up and down the coast had been napalmed, and then he said, “they shut down the border. Nothing comes in or out.” And the look on Travis’ face was like, whoa, let that sink in, I’m from LA and I totally believe nothing is going to cross the US/Mexico border… ---
**Author:** ![CannyDan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cannydan/32/548_2.png) [@CannyDan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CannyDan)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 3:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/5 "2016-04-18T03:26:55Z")
I really didn’t understand the border thing. Serious? Satirical? Badly played, either way. They’re on _a boat_ in the _zombie apocalypse_ for crying out loud. What possible practical difference could it make to these people if the border crossing stations are shut down? For that matter, what difference if they were just abandoned? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 3:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/6 "2016-04-18T03:27:51Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Meh, so apparently either; the _Canadian_ government is pursuing the exact same policy as the US, or we’ve gone to war with Canada. :dubious: Or the writers just forgot Vancouver is in a foreign country. One of them is. The other one isn’t. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 5:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/7 "2016-04-18T05:06:25Z")
I like when they are trying to hide in the cove and then they light up the boat like a Christmas Tree. But, basically nothing happened in this episode. They are exactly where they were when the episode started. I guess the one teenage kid now knows how to kill Walkers. As for closing the border, was that a riff on Trump? ---
**Author:** ![Shakester](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/shakester/32/437_2.png) [@Shakester](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shakester)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/8 "2016-04-18T07:11:12Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > Or the writers just forgot Vancouver is in a foreign country. > **[Vancouver, Washington](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vancouver,_Washington)** > > Vancouver (/vænˈkuːvər/ ⓘ van-KOO-vər) is a city on the north bank of the Columbia River in the U.S. state of Washington, located in Clark County. Founded in 1825 and incorporated in 1857, Vancouver had a population of 190,915 as of the 2020 census, making it the fourth-most populous city in Washington state. Vancouver is the seat of government of Clark County and forms part of the Portland-Vancouver metropolitan area, the 25th-largest metropolitan area in the United States. Originally establi... ETA: They probably did mean Canadian Vancouver, because borders aren’t a big deal in the Zombie Apocalypse. Also it’s entirely possible that what’s left of the US and Canadian militaries would be co-operating. Or that the Canucks obliterated their own city in the same way the Yanks did. Nobody said it was US forces that hit Vancouver. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/9 "2016-04-18T13:13:21Z")
> [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](#): > > I liked it when Travis was talking to the survivalist dude while he was explaining that cities up and down the coast had been napalmed, and then he said, “they shut down the border. Nothing comes in or out.” And the look on Travis’ face was like, whoa, let that sink in, I’m from LA and I totally believe nothing is going to cross the US/Mexico border… At this point, how the hell would they “shut down the border”? Just park all the remaining military there? How many people are left alive and uninfected, at this point? ---
**Author:** ![Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/try2b_comprehensive/32/65_2.png) [@Try2B\_Comprehensive](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Try2B_Comprehensive)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/10 "2016-04-18T13:38:23Z")
_At this point?_ To shut down the border, we needed the government out of the way, it has been the problem all along. The zombie apocalypse makes it finally _possible_ to shut down the border! I also like the story arc of, “Hey, we know the world just ended and all, but we just got off this boat, see, and we’re on your island unarmed, and we’d just like to ask if this junkie here can spend some quality time alone with your children, like, in the next 24 hours?” ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 1:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/11 "2016-04-18T13:38:51Z")
It’s just a stupid plot device because, presumably, Strand is trying to get to Mexico. Especially stupid since he has a boat. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/12 "2016-04-18T13:39:55Z")
For the first time since this series began, I was truly bored by an episode. The only thing that kept me interested was trying to figure out who Strand was talking to on the satellite phone. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/13 "2016-04-18T14:24:00Z")
> [@randwill](#): > > Poison pills (whatever that is) are something every drug addict would recognize on sight? Perhaps like being able to tell poisonous mushrooms from Psilocybin mushrooms. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2016, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/14 "2016-04-18T23:37:41Z")
I’m glad the kid did not get to stay on the boat, that was an immediate show dropper for me. ---
**Author:** ![EllisDee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellisdee/32/4531_2.png) [@EllisDee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/EllisDee)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 12:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/15 "2016-04-19T00:17:50Z")
There were some interesting ideas in this episode, but it felt like the writers never could get the script squared away. Like they went through an inordinate amount of rewrites to get everything to hang together. I think they needed another couple dozen rewrites to get it properly squared away. > [@randwill](#): > > Teen boy must have been a pharmacist in a previous life. Poison pills (whatever that is) are something every drug addict would recognize on sight? I think the idea is that most drug addicts would recognize homemade pills, which definitely look different than pills you get at the pharmacy. Nick connected the dots to figure out that in this instance, homemade pills = poison pills. ---
**Author:** ![randwill](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/a3d4f5/32.png) [@randwill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/randwill)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/16 "2016-04-19T00:35:12Z")
The scene where Mom was handing over the kid(s) to our heroes was one of those that had me thinking, why is this not happening somewhat surreptitiously? Because you KNOW the Dad is going to interrupt and cause problems. Sure enough he does, right on cue. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/17 "2016-04-19T02:05:37Z")
I know about Vancouver, WA, but it’s clear from context they meant Vancouver, BC. Interesting they actually made Travis Maori like the actor (although Travis isn’t a New Zealander). I wonder how New Zealand fared in the zombie apocalypse. > [@EllisDee](#): > > …I think the idea is that most drug addicts would recognize homemade pills, which definitely look different than pills you get at the pharmacy. Nick connected the dots to figure out that in this instance, homemade pills = poison pills. They’d have to be homemade, right? It’s not like suicide pills are actually manufactured (at least outside of government labs). ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/18 "2016-04-19T04:09:54Z")
What exactly was the problem with the island they were on that made it unsafe? They briefly mentioned a tourist area across the inlet, but I still don’t understand why that was dangerous given the fences. All in all, it seemed like the near perfect area to park until everyone gets a better handle on what is happening in the world. Everything goes to hell? Then hop on the $10M yacht that is stocked with food and supplies for emergency needs. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/19 "2016-04-19T16:27:31Z")
> [@alphaboi867](#): > > I wonder how New Zealand fared in the zombie apocalypse. [Like this](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8LIug1cP04)? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2016, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517/20 "2016-04-19T17:01:08Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > What exactly was the problem with the island they were on that made it unsafe? They briefly mentioned a tourist area across the inlet, but I still don’t understand why that was dangerous given the fences. > > All in all, it seemed like the near perfect area to park until everyone gets a better handle on what is happening in the world. Everything goes to hell? Then hop on the $10M yacht that is stocked with food and supplies for emergency needs. The fence was actually very flimsy and the tourist area had hundreds of tourist zombies. Basically the only reason they were still alive was because the horde on the other side had not accidentally wandered over to them yet. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-02-we-all-fall-down-open-spoilers/752517.md?page=2)