# Fear the Walking Dead: 2.06 "Sicut Cervus" (open spoilers) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 15, 2016, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877 "2016-05-15T23:07:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![mistymage](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mistymage/32/459_2.png) [@mistymage](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mistymage)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/21 "2016-05-17T04:18:39Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > Salazar more-or-less told Celia he realized she had poisoned the parishioners, and Celia then told him that they’re the ones who actually killed them (because she believes the walking dead are just in another phase of life). > > I don’t understand Celia’s status. Isn’t Daniel the actual Abigail and so shouldn’t he be in charge? So why does she seem to be in charge? She’s his Housekeeper (Thomas Abigail’s)… and even I, a non-servant having person, know the Housekeeper is just about the final word in a household. She helped raise him, I guess. ---
**Author:** ![SykoSkotty](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c0e974/32.png) [@SykoSkotty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SykoSkotty)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/22 "2016-05-17T12:39:55Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > She’s his Housekeeper (Thomas Abigail’s)… and even I, a non-servant having person, know the Housekeeper is just about the final word in a household. She helped raise him, I guess. She’s Luis’ Mother IIRC. Now, I still don’t understand how Daniel knew she poisoned the parishioners. When Strand’s gaing all arrived at the church, they were all dead already, or they had turned. Celia was nowhere in sight, neither was Thomas. All they found was a big group of infected. What made them think they were poisoned to begin with? ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/23 "2016-05-17T13:18:31Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > She’s Luis’ Mother IIRC. > > Now, I still don’t understand how Daniel knew she poisoned the parishioners. When Strand’s gaing all arrived at the church, they were all dead already, or they had turned. Celia was nowhere in sight, neither was Thomas. All they found was a big group of infected. What made them think they were poisoned to begin with? Perhaps he found rat poison in the pantry. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 1:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/24 "2016-05-17T13:42:39Z")
> [@SykoSkotty](#): > > Now, I still don’t understand how Daniel knew she poisoned the parishioners. When Strand’s gaing all arrived at the church, they were all dead already, or they had turned. Celia was nowhere in sight, neither was Thomas. All they found was a big group of infected. What made them think they were poisoned to begin with? The priest accused Celia while dying in Daniel’s arms. You might argue that this only kicks the can down the road a bit. How did the priest figure out what was going on? I notice that the position of the priest’s head in the crook of Daniel’s arm, about where the bite appeared later, suggests it was the priest who doomed him. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/25 "2016-05-17T13:48:46Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > The priest accused Celia while dying in Daniel’s arms. You might argue that this only kicks the can down the road a bit. How did the priest figure out what was going on? I notice that the position of the priest’s head in the crook of Daniel’s arm, about where the bite appeared later, suggests it was the priest who doomed him. I think you’re mixing up Daniel and Thomas. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/26 "2016-05-17T13:56:52Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > I think you’re mixing up Daniel and Thomas. Not unlikely. Let’s see… Daniel is Salazar, the ex-Junta guy. Right. Thomas is the Abigail. Right. I’m sure I’ll remember it in the future. I may forget again that Chris has a name. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 2:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/27 "2016-05-17T14:00:25Z")
> [@mistymage](#): > > She’s his Housekeeper (Thomas Abigail’s)… and even I, a non-servant having person, know the Housekeeper is just about the final word in a household. She helped raise him, I guess. And in a post apocalypse world the fact that it is Thomas’ house or that he pays the servants becomes completely irrelevant. She is in charge because those are her people, she is no longer the servant. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/28 "2016-05-17T14:14:36Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > And in a post apocalypse world the fact that it is Thomas’ house or that he pays the servants becomes completely irrelevant. She is in charge because those are her people, she is no longer the servant. Well… they haven’t actually shown that kind of dynamic in play. Thomas was, of course, probably too busy dying to care much about that. And except for the lady collecting weapons, we don’t hear much from other members of the household. Have they all bought into the old lady’s crazy notions? We don’t know. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/29 "2016-05-17T14:22:26Z")
I have to admit this show is going in strange directions and I am enjoying it. Here’s a question, were we supposed to assume the cop with the Owl coin was a member of their family since they had the Owl imaginary on their property? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/30 "2016-05-17T14:53:10Z")
> [@Quimby](#): > > I have to admit this show is going in strange directions and I am enjoying it. > > Here’s a question, were we supposed to assume the cop with the Owl coin was a member of their family since they had the Owl imaginary on their property? That was Luis, Celia’s son. The one that was going to sneak them into mexico. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/31 "2016-05-17T15:16:50Z")
> [@Johnny\_Angel](#): > > Not unlikely. Let’s see… Daniel is Salazar, the ex-Junta guy. Right. Thomas is the Abigail. Right. > > I’m sure I’ll remember it in the future. I may forget again that Chris has a name. But the priest died in Thomas’ arms, not Daniels. Thomas was the guy bitten, not Daniel. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Angel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/d26b3c/32.png) [@Johnny\_Angel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Angel)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/32 "2016-05-17T18:51:04Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > But the priest died in Thomas’ arms, not Daniels. Thomas was the guy bitten, not Daniel. Yeah, I was calling Thomas Daniel. On multiple occasions, it seems. The question was about Daniel, and I answered about Thomas. So, how did Daniel figure it out? Well… I don’t know. I mean, I like it better than when people were just being stoopit and not seeing what was right in front of their noses, but yeah if characters seem to know too much it’s like the writers skipped showing you the evidence they pieced together. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/33 "2016-05-17T19:35:52Z")
I think now it should become a bedroom farce with Nick the Junkie getting caught in a love triangle with Strand and Celia (both of whom are clearly attracted to him). ---
**Author:** ![doorhinge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a5b964/32.png) [@doorhinge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/doorhinge)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/34 "2016-05-17T19:53:32Z")
The show has gotten better. Lots of plot twists. However, I do not like subtitles, especially when the words are the same color as the background. Celia is nucking futs. When is the best time to leave the house of a poisoner? ASAP or yesterday? And don’t accept any doggy bags she might give you. :eek: Chris Manawa froze several times when confronted with the option of killing someone. Because of that, I don’t believe Chris threaten what’s-her-name (Alycia/Alicia)? He said, “I don’t want to hurt anyone”. That could be taken either way. And it explains why he freezes when confronted with the option of killing. Of course, this just adds to his teenage angst. _Nobody likes me, everybody hates me, I think I’ll eat some worms._ I don’t understand the alleged suicide pact between Thomas Abigail and Strand. First Thomas asks Madison to look after him (Strand?) after I’m (Thomas) is gone. Then Celia appears to finally be happy with Strand because he’s now good enough for Thomas. And more poisoned wafers appear. Thomas dies and Strand pops a cap in his head. It doesn’t seem as if Strand was in on this suicide thing. Shooting Thomas, or any of the walkers, in the head is a big no-no as far as Celia is concerned. _Everybody get out. Leave. But not right away. (Maybe I’ll fix you something to eat before you go.)_ ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/35 "2016-05-17T19:57:15Z")
Eat this! It will make you feel better. ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [May 17, 2016, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/36 "2016-05-17T22:19:04Z")
> [@doorhinge](#): > > I don’t understand the alleged suicide pact between Thomas Abigail and Strand. First Thomas asks Madison to look after him (Strand?) after I’m (Thomas) is gone. Then Celia appears to finally be happy with Strand because he’s now good enough for Thomas. And more poisoned wafers appear. Thomas dies and Strand pops a cap in his head. It doesn’t seem as if Strand was in on this suicide thing. I think Strand understands how crazy the whole family is, but wanted to make Thomas felt better as he was dying. He had no intention of committing suicide, but as long as Thomas thought he was going to die along with him and that made his death easier, then why not? Now that Celia both knows that he wasn’t serious, and put a bullet in Thomas’ head thereby really, for real in her mind, killing him, they had all best find more suitable accommodations. ---
**Author:** ![Quimby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/22d042/32.png) [@Quimby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quimby)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/37 "2016-05-18T00:20:00Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > That was Luis, Celia’s son. The one that was going to sneak them into mexico. Oops. That’s what I get for not paying close attention. I thought Luis was dead and that was one of the people on the other boat that was shooting at them who had boarded. Looked like he was in a uniform. ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/38 "2016-05-18T00:32:20Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > they had all best find more suitable accommodations. …_ **AND** _, does anyone believe they will do that? :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/39 "2016-05-18T14:37:21Z")
Celia should be locked in with the walkers. It seems to be her ultimate goal anyway. I don’t think Strand or Daniel would have a problem with putting her there. ---
**Author:** ![gytalf2000](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/ac91a4/32.png) [@gytalf2000](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gytalf2000)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2016, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877/40 "2016-05-18T14:55:57Z")
> [@UltraVires](#): > > Further, the walkers just don’t seem that scary anymore. How did they take over the whole world against powerful militaries when five people with knives can dispatch a horde of them? That part doesn’t make a lot of sense to me, either. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fear-the-walking-dead-2-06-sicut-cervus-open-spoilers/754877.md?page=3)