# February jobs report **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 9, 2018, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310 "2018-03-09T23:35:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![pulykamell](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pulykamell/32/3166_2.png) [@pulykamell](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pulykamell)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/21 "2018-03-10T04:35:50Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > :rolleyes: I’m completely flummoxed by the rolleyes. Anyhow, good news indeed for the economy. Let’s hope it stays good. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 4:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/22 "2018-03-10T04:37:13Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > You really are completely clueless about what people think outside of your conservative bubble, aren’t you? > > Non-conservatives, even liberals, love America just as much as conservatives do. Our opposition to Trump isn’t based on some childish whim. It’s based on our belief, supported by ongoing evidence, that he is harming America. We oppose Trump because we love America. > [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > :rolleyes: What does your emoji mean here? Are you standing by your belief that liberals hate America and you’re skeptical of my claim to the contrary? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/23 "2018-03-10T04:55:48Z")
> [@pulykamell](#): > > I’m completely flummoxed by the rolleyes. > > Anyhow, good news indeed for the economy. Let’s hope it stays good. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What does your emoji mean here? Are you standing by your belief that liberals hate America and you’re skeptical of my claim to the contrary? The eyeroll was directed at “your conservative bubble”. It strikes me as a particularly stupid charge to level against anyone who regularly posts on the SDMB. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 5:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/24 "2018-03-10T05:27:01Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > The eyeroll was directed at “your conservative bubble”. It strikes me as a particularly stupid charge to level against anyone who regularly posts on the SDMB. Your post is my cite. If you were listening to what other people here were saying, you wouldn’t have cause to write things like “I suspect with dismay by more than a few Dopers”. But you wrote that. So it appears you just come here to repeat things you heard on right wing sites and don’t bother paying attention to what anyone else says. And that means I’m standing by “your conservative bubble” until you show some signs it isn’t accurate. ---
**Author:** ![Wesley\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wesley_clark/32/20581_2.png) [@Wesley\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wesley_Clark)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/25 "2018-03-10T06:19:30Z")
> [@bobot](#): > > Imagine if Trump had to turn around a ruined economy like Obama had to, instead of walking into one that was humming along. Yup. Trump gets to take credit for 8 years of competent stewardship. I remember the GOP were talking about how horrible the economy was for 8 years. It was about 4.7% when Obama left office and now after a year it is 4.1% and that is amazing (to them). No mention of the fact that it went from a high of 10.0% down to 4.7% in 7 years of Obama. ---
**Author:** ![snfaulkner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snfaulkner/32/433_2.png) [@snfaulkner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/snfaulkner)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 7:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/26 "2018-03-10T07:04:31Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > (and I suspect with dismay by more than a few Dopers). : Really, ditka? You think we’re party before people? ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/27 "2018-03-10T13:16:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_Ace](#): > > So what’s the message here? It’s OK that we’re living through the most blatantly corrupt administration in history because 300K jobs were created two months ago (which, btw, Trump can’t realistically claim as his own anyway, not that that ever mattered to him)? That’s the message I get from, not just the OP, but pretty much all conservatives I know. That it’s ok to dismiss all of Trump’s faults as a president and as a human being simply because he has a number of policies that align with the right. Or that any criticism of Trump is “fake news” or “Liberal media bias”. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/28 "2018-03-10T13:16:54Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Really, ditka? You think we’re party before people? Pioneers venturing out from a milieu where “liberalism is a mental disorder” is chanted like a mantra may be perplexed to find that only a small percentage of us are writhing in drool-stained straitjackets or molding graven images of George Soros from our own defecatory clay. ---
**Author:** ![Ann\_Hedonia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ann_hedonia/32/319_2.png) [@Ann\_Hedonia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ann_Hedonia)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/29 "2018-03-10T13:52:38Z")
I have serious concerns about the Republican plan to use borrowed money to fuel growth, especially when the economy is doing well already. Borrowing money isn’t always bad…if you lose your job and your car breaks down it’s short-sighted to take a hard line about not borrowing money to fix the car…because if you don’t you can’t get another job and you can’t pay your rent and you lose your housing and your life spirals down the toilet… sometimes borrowing money is a good thing. And we would’ve had a much better and faster recovery in 2008 if not for the Republican “debt ALWAYS bad” drumbeat. But when things are going well and you decide you like being prosperous and impressing your neighbors so much that you max out your credit cards to buy expensive sports cars and take out a teaser rate mortgage to buy a mansion, that is an irresponsible use of debt … guess what, you’re not really better off then you were before you made those credit decisions. Your neighbors might think you’re better off, and you might feel richer, but you’re actually worse off. New Yorkers have been watching Trump pull off sleazy “ barely legal” business deals for decades and we always thought it was a big giant hoot the way the rubes in the heartland bought into his hype and actually thought he was a legitimate businessman. Now our big inside joke isn’t funny anymore and we keep trying to warn you guys, but you won’t listen. You’re the mark in a long game,sweetheart. You need to take off the red tinted glasses and wise up. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/30 "2018-03-10T14:18:27Z")
> [@Ann\_Hedonia](#): > > I have serious concerns about the Republican plan to use borrowed money to fuel growth, especially when the economy is doing well already. > > Borrowing money isn’t always bad…if you lose your job and your car breaks down it’s short-sighted to take a hard line about not borrowing money to fix the car…because if you don’t you can’t get another job and you can’t pay your rent and you lose your housing and your life spirals down the toilet… sometimes borrowing money is a good thing. And we would’ve had a much better and faster recovery in 2008 if not for the Republican “debt ALWAYS bad” drumbeat. > > But when things are going well and you decide you like being prosperous and impressing your neighbors so much that you max out your credit cards to buy expensive sports cars and take out a teaser rate mortgage to buy a mansion, that is an irresponsible use of debt … guess what, you’re not really better off then you were before you made those credit decisions. Your neighbors might think you’re better off, and you might feel richer, but you’re actually worse off. > > New Yorkers have been watching Trump pull off sleazy “ barely legal” business deals for decades and we always thought it was a big giant hoot the way the rubes in the heartland bought into his hype and actually thought he was a legitimate businessman. Now our big inside joke isn’t funny anymore and we keep trying to warn you guys, but you won’t listen. > > You’re the mark in a long game,sweetheart. You need to take off the red tinted glasses and wise up. LOL! SALT deductions are capped at $10k and NYers think I’m the mark. That elicits another eyeroll. Look, I’m not happy about the debt level. I wasn’t happy about it under Bush or Obama, and I suspect Trump will not end up being any better, but going from $30T to $31.5T … It’s hard for me to get very animated about that relatively minor increase in exchange for a tax cut. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/31 "2018-03-10T14:24:35Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > LOL! SALT deductions are capped at $10k and NYers think I’m the mark. That elicits another eyeroll. > > Look, I’m not happy about the debt level. I wasn’t happy about it under Bush or Obama, and I suspect Trump will not end up being any better,\*\* but going from $30T to $31.5T\*\* … It’s hard for me to get very animated about that relatively minor increase in exchange for a tax cut. The national debt is [20 trillion.](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-how-the-us-got-to-20-trillion-in-debt-2017-03-30) ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/32 "2018-03-10T14:37:09Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > The national debt is [20 trillion.](https://www.marketwatch.com/story/heres-how-the-us-got-to-20-trillion-in-debt-2017-03-30) I know, and it was estimated to rise to $30T over the next 10 years, and now, because of the tax cut, it’s estimated to rise to $31.5T. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/33 "2018-03-10T14:46:36Z")
> [@snfaulkner](#): > > Really, ditka? You think we’re party before people? Projection. After 8 years of doing everything they can to prevent Obama from doing anything that might help America for fear he would get credit for it, they expect us to do likewise. ---
**Author:** ![BlankSlate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blankslate/32/80_2.png) [@BlankSlate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BlankSlate)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/34 "2018-03-10T15:01:17Z")
Yep, the Obama economy is still chugging along. In about two years we can assess the impact of the Trump tax cuts and budgets. I don’t watch TV news, but if any of the idiot talking heads is crediting Trump for any of it, they’re either a moron or a goddamn liar. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/35 "2018-03-10T15:03:27Z")
I agree this is good news for a month, but also agree with HD that there will be people who immediately look for ways to undermine its importance because it happened on Trump’s watch. But I don’t think any of those folks would ever want it reversed or to disappear. (or very few of them, maybe those waiting for some kind of overthrow/revolution) On the topic of real wages, they’ve been on a rebound for a couple of years, and at the current unemployment rate should (you would hope) climb. > **[Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary...](https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/LES1252881600Q#0)** > > Employed full time: Median usual weekly real earnings: Wage and salary workers: 16 years and over ---
**Author:** ![Lance\_Turbo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lance_turbo/32/6156_2.png) [@Lance\_Turbo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lance_Turbo)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/36 "2018-03-10T15:18:45Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > (and I suspect with dismay by more than a few Dopers) You need to stand behind this statement or retract it. Pretending that you didn’t say it is chickenshit. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 4:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/37 "2018-03-10T16:00:48Z")
> [@HurricaneDitka](#): > > I know, and it was estimated to rise to $30T over the next 10 years, and now, because of the tax cut, it’s estimated to rise to $31.5T. Yeah, a trillion here and a trillion there, pretty soon you’re talking about real money. Remarkable ,really how Obama gets raked over the coals for cleaning up Bush’s mess yet it’s all hunky dory to saddle the future for tax cuts today. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/38 "2018-03-10T17:01:08Z")
> [@Lance\_Turbo](#): > > You need to stand behind this statement or retract it. Pretending that you didn’t say it is chickenshit. In which post do you think I was “pretending \* didn’t say it”? ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/39 "2018-03-10T17:02:22Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Yeah, a trillion here and a trillion there, pretty soon you’re talking about real money. > > Remarkable ,really how Obama gets raked over the coals for cleaning up Bush’s mess yet it’s all hunky dory to saddle the future for tax cuts today. As I’ve said before, that aspect of the tax cuts (the addition to the debt) is the one that I’m least comfortable with. It’s a mostly silver cloud with a bit of black lining, in my eyes. ---
**Author:** ![HurricaneDitka](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/96bed5/32.png) [@HurricaneDitka](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HurricaneDitka)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2018, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310/40 "2018-03-10T17:07:38Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > … Non-conservatives, even liberals, love America just as much as conservatives do. … BTW, this is false (at least according to [a 2015 YouGov poll](https://today.yougov.com/news/2015/02/24/obama-patriotism/)): > [@](#): > > Broken down along ideological lines, liberals (13%) are more likely than either moderates (5%) or conservatives (4%) to say that they do not love America. 90% of conservatives say that they love America, compared to 85% of moderates and 82% of liberals. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/february-jobs-report/810310.md?page=3)