# Feds 'black-bagging people' in Portland **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 18, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638 "2020-07-18T03:19:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/62 "2020-07-18T11:21:20Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > I’m watching livestreams of the protests. This has been going on for like 40 days?? Man, I cant imagine WHY the Covid cases have skyrocketed, > > “BUt Theu’RE WarINg MahsKs” Have COVID cases skyrocketed in Portland? Has this notional skyrocketing been traced specifically to protesters? Does this somehow justify people being snatched off the street and thrown into vans? I have no idea. Does the OP? Just asking questions. And, by the way, the OP’s tone seems a bit hostile for someone who claims they don’t want a fight. ---
**Author:** ![pkbites](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pkbites/32/204_2.png) [@pkbites](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pkbites)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/63 "2020-07-18T11:37:44Z")
> [@XT](#): > > and they have to read rights if they are locking people up or arresting or even holding them. Um, no. We’ve been over this before on these boards. You only have to read rights when a subject is both under arrest AND being questioned. That horseshit you see on Law & Order where they don’t even have the cuffs on and they’re blathering Miranda is Hollywood make-believe. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/64 "2020-07-18T11:54:05Z")
Wapo coverage as of last night only mentioned Pettibone, so nothing new there. No mention of anyone actually being charged. Anything else finding anything? ---
**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 12:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/65 "2020-07-18T12:05:29Z")
As I see it the police/martial are following an illegal order, as such are committing a crime. Where is your constitutional right not to be kidnapped? ---
**Author:** ![Senegoid](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/senegoid/32/6606_2.png) [@Senegoid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Senegoid)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/66 "2020-07-18T12:24:44Z")
Never-Trumper and Lincoln Project co-founder Steve Schmidt demands that these federal agents be arrested: > **[Steve Schmidt goes on epic rant and demands Oregon’s governor arrest Trump’s...](https://www.rawstory.com/2020/07/steve-schmidt-goes-on-epic-rant-and-demands-oregons-governor-arrest-trumps-secret-police-in-portland/)** > > Prominent political activist Steve Schmidt on Friday demanded the National Guard be deployed to deal with the Department of Homeland Security agents terrorizing Portland.Shocking videos have emerged of what are believed to be DHS agents. The men are... Link to Schmidt’s 6-part twitter thread: > (Not to be confused with Mike Schmidt, new Multnomah County District Attorey-elect. Recent interview with him here, naturally discussing current events there:) [New Multnomah County District Attorney Mike Schmidt Must Decide Who Faces Criminal Charges Amid Portland’s Protests](https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2020/07/15/new-multnomah-county-district-attorney-mike-schmidt-must-decide-who-faces-criminal-charges-amid-portlands-protests/) ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/67 "2020-07-18T12:46:57Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Mostly, though, they’re just having fun. Like randomly pepper spraying people for literally no reason. [Watch at the end where the kulak deliberately tears the masks of a woman’s face and pepper sprays her, point blank](https://twitter.com/r2020PB/status/1284016325657088000?s=20). Fuckin’ell. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/68 "2020-07-18T12:49:49Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Sounds a little heavy handed and who knows what the legality of what they are doing is. However, if the cities and states hadn’t abdicated their responsibility and if local prosecutors were doing their job the federal government wouldn’t have had to step in to help end the anarchy. There is no anarchy. Peaceful protests aren’t anarchy. Not surprised that it’s this easy for you to rationalize violence. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/69 "2020-07-18T13:06:37Z")
Up 1000% since May 5. That seems significant I was unaware there was a pro-Covid contingent in Great Debates. My apologies if I’ve offended any of them. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/70 "2020-07-18T13:25:38Z")
1000% agree. They should have waited to protest police brutality until the pandemic was over. Also, if not for the protests, the police would have no reason to crack skulls and otherwise intimidate these nogoodniks. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/71 "2020-07-18T13:35:59Z")
CPB is claiming they announced themselves and wore some sort of identification: > On Friday, Customs and Border Protection issued a statement taking responsibility for the apprehension and asserting its agents were wearing gear that identified them as CBP personnel. > CBP agents went after that individual because they suspected he was involved in “assaults against federal agents or destruction of federal property,” the statement said. “Once CBP agents approached the suspect, a large and violent mob moved towards their location. For everyone’s safety, CBP agents quickly moved the suspect to a safer location for further questioning.” > The agency said the CBP agents identified themselves and were wearing CBP insignia during the apprehension. 👮 See, the bagging was to make him safe! 🙄 > **[Portland officials decry aggressive tactics of federal agents in their city](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/portland-officials-decry-aggressive-tactics-of-federal-agents-in-their-city/2020/07/17/ae5dbf18-c871-11ea-8ffe-372be8d82298_story.html)** > > “I was terrified” says man who was apprehended, driven away in an unmarked minivan, then later released by Customs and Border Protection agents. (Soft paywall likely) ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 1:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/72 "2020-07-18T13:47:40Z")
Your first sentence is actual fertile ground for debate.\* The second…a weird strawman. \*I’m all about exercising your constitutional rights in time of crisis. But lets not pretend ‘LARPing about with your buddies and yukking it up at 1 AM waiting to see heads get cracked cause it will increase your Youtube Livestream clicks’ is worth dying over. Well not IMHO. But you do you Portland ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/73 "2020-07-18T13:50:29Z")
No. Your statement about there being a contingent of pro-COVID people is a strawman. My post was sarcasm. See the difference? ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 1:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/74 "2020-07-18T13:53:12Z")
Nooooo MYYYYY post was sarcasm, YOURS was a strawman!!! Serious q: Did the mods just go home when the changeover occurred? Cause only about 20% of this thread is being applied to my OP. Thats not directed at you. Promises. No sarcasm that time. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/75 "2020-07-18T14:04:39Z")
> [@Pavelb1](#): > > I was unaware there was a pro-Covid contingent in Great Debates. One man’s “pro-COVID” is another man’s support of free speech and the right to peaceable protest (shrug). ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/76 "2020-07-18T14:23:10Z")
Funny thing is…now that the actual Brownshirts have arrived…I have yet to see “A Nazi get punched” ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/77 "2020-07-18T14:28:03Z")
I too am puzzled about why your posts are not being treated with the seriousness they deserve. Perhaps you should notify the authorities and have suspects rounded up for questioning. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/78 "2020-07-18T14:28:47Z")
‘The usual ones’ are all here after all ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/79 "2020-07-18T14:30:27Z")
And your user name is appropriately attired. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/80 "2020-07-18T14:34:26Z")
Bold talk from a dead ex-Brotherhood of Evil Mutant member…who never was a mutant in the first place. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2020, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/81 "2020-07-18T14:35:37Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I too am puzzled about why your posts are not being treated with the seriousness they deserve. Well, in defence of the OP, he simply seems a bit puzzled as to why anyone might object to federal agents adopting the tactics of Central American death squads and is looking for clarity. After all, it’s minus the “death” part (so far). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=5)