# Feds 'black-bagging people' in Portland **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 18, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638 "2020-07-18T03:19:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 48
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 12:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/944 "2020-07-27T00:46:03Z")
I think that’s a Diehard movie that you are watching. Maybe Lethal Weapon. Here, maybe this will help to calibrate your perspective. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/8Lu41LulQos/maxresdefault.jpg "Celebration (Kool and The Gang) | Playing For Change | Song Around The World") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Lu41LulQos) These people are _not_ rioting. ---
**Author:** ![DeadTreasSecretaries](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/deadtreassecretaries/32/4817_2.png) [@DeadTreasSecretaries](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeadTreasSecretaries)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 1:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/945 "2020-07-27T01:10:51Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > What rights of innocent people are being violated? Are the feds burning down businesses or looting? Are the feds assaulting people for merely wearing the wrong hat? Are the feds shooting at random jeeps? The feds and the police actually aren’t even enforcing the law until the riot gets really out of hand and then they do a pathetic job of enforcing the law at that point. I linked this previously but I’ll link it again: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEYHzieMA14](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEYHzieMA14) Here’s part 2: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhWObtjTCYk](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qhWObtjTCYk) ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/946 "2020-07-27T01:26:42Z")
Or maybe I’m actually watching events as they are being recorded. [https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/1287266843510669312?ref\_src=twsrc^tfw|twcamp^tweetembed|twterm^1287266843510669312|twgr^&ref\_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F07%2Fcar-drives-mob-protesters-colorado-highway-protester-shoots-fellow-protesters-trying-shoot-driver%2F](https://twitter.com/TweetBrettMac/status/1287266843510669312?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1287266843510669312%7Ctwgr%5E&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thegatewaypundit.com%2F2020%2F07%2Fcar-drives-mob-protesters-colorado-highway-protester-shoots-fellow-protesters-trying-shoot-driver%2F) ---
**Author:** ![Fiddle\_Peghead](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fiddle_peghead/32/3506_2.png) [@Fiddle\_Peghead](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiddle_Peghead)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/947 "2020-07-27T01:37:38Z")
My comment about America being or becoming a police state was not meant to be addressed to you personally, but I can see why you might think that. So for the record, no, you have not made that claim. I acknowledge that. But you say America is on the road to authoritarianism. This may or may not be the case, but if we are to discuss it, we need to set up some ground rules for what that means. So, if you believe (and I am NOT saying you do, this is only an example) that any increase in authoritarian behavior by the government over any time period is evidence that we are surely going down that road, then your examples could show you are correct. As for me, I have long said here and elsewhere that if America does ever end up as a police state, it won’t happen overnight. It won’t happen over the course of a few months, or even a few years. It will be a decades’ or even centuries’ long process, where our rights are slowly but surely chipped away at, until they are all but gone. You may disagree with my criteria for what it means for America to be on this road, and if so, so be it. But that is why I asked for evidence that this country is continually getting worse in this respect, and why I pointed out that we have done this thing many times as a country. I have no doubt that people alive during WW II saw the internment of Japanese-Americans as evidence of the same. But it didn’t turn out that way. So in summary, you may very well be right, but I just don’t think so. As for you taking “this as a concession [by me] that yes, the CPB “black bagging” protestors at the start of latest round of protests was standard procedure for them and that protesting against the tactic stopped it dead in its tracks”, please don’t. I have no idea what the effect of protesting against that either did or did not do. Your conjecture sounds fairly reasonable, but that is as far as it goes. I don’t think that you can know this for sure. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 1:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/948 "2020-07-27T01:41:47Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Every single protester is a closet Marxist-Anarchist, don’t you know that? Unsure about the married ones. ---
**Author:** ![Trinopus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/2bfe46/32.png) [@Trinopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Trinopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 1:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/949 "2020-07-27T01:42:50Z")
> [@Fiddle\_Peghead](#): > > It will be a decades’ or even centuries’ long process, where our rights are slowly but surely chipped away at, until they are all but gone. I think this is too optimistic. In Germany, it took only a few years, not even a full decade. I also think that “uniformitarian” view does not give enough weight to “catastrophic” changes, such as the election of an extremely bad President, empowered by an extremely bad Senate, both of whom show every sign of willing participation in large-scale election fraud. If Trump somehow steals this election and gets four more years…there could very, very well not be an election in 2024 at all. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/950 "2020-07-27T01:44:39Z")
> **[The Gateway Pundit](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-gateway-pundit/)** > > QUESTIONABLE SOURCE A questionable source exhibits one or more of the following: extreme bias, consistent promotion of propaganda/conspiracies, poor or no Got a source that isn’t far-right propaganda? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 2:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/951 "2020-07-27T02:03:56Z")
Assuming gunfire actually did come from a protester, [how is that not a proper response to attempted assault with a deadly weapon](https://denver.cbslocal.com/2020/07/25/protesters-block-interstate-225-injured-car-drives-through-crowd/) (i.e.: the Jeep)? ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/952 "2020-07-27T02:52:49Z")
I’m Guessing the answer to my question is no. have fun agreeing with yourselves. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/953 "2020-07-27T03:08:50Z")
Look, if you’ve something to say, say it. There’s plenty of disagreement in the thread, but among for permission seems a bit silly. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/954 "2020-07-27T03:38:54Z")
\*asking for permission, that is. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 4:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/955 "2020-07-27T04:01:38Z")
Are you saying the video is a deepfake or something? ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 4:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/956 "2020-07-27T04:32:57Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > Look, if you’ve something to say, say it. There’s plenty of disagreement in the thread, but among for permission seems a bit silly. Okay, y’all are are bunch of conspiracy theory spouting nut jobs. All the “kidnapped” “disapeared” people are in fact in the normal legal process. They are not being put in re-education camps. They were lawfully arrested, taken back to the station, read their rights, given a lawyer if they can’t afford one, charged with a specific crime, presented in front of a judge, will receive a trial by a jury of their peers. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 4:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/957 "2020-07-27T04:40:35Z")
I don’t live in Portland, so I’m not sure I’m really qualified to say what’s happening on the ground. But. This lawyer says she wasnt read her rights: > **[Attorney arrested by feds among Portland Wall of Moms protesters says she was...](https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/2020/07/beaverton-attorney-arrested-by-feds-among-mom-protesters-now-barred-from-returning.html)** > > Jennifer Kristiansen spent the night in a holding cell after she was accused of hitting a federal officer at Portland protests. This guy was shot in the face with non lethal munitions for… Holding a boombox. > **[Federal Officers Shoot Portland Protester In Head With 'Less Lethal' Munitions](https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal-officers-portland-protester-shot-less-lethal-munitions/)** > > Federal law enforcement shot and severely injured a protester on Saturday night during demonstrations in front of the federal courthouse in downtown Portland, according to friends and family.  But thank you for your input. Portland native, are you? ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/958 "2020-07-27T04:42:30Z")
And without going through all 900 plus posts, I’ve noted a certain “Sovereign Citizen” tone to some post on the subject. Perhaps the political spectrum isn’t a linear spectrum. More of a circle, where the ultra left and ultra right meet. ---
**Author:** ![TroutMan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/troutman/32/6721_2.png) [@TroutMan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TroutMan)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 4:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/959 "2020-07-27T04:46:02Z")
I resent being called a nut job in GD. But I won’t stoop to calling you a name back. I’ll just say I am not convinced by your dazzling argument. ---
**Author:** ![kswiss](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@kswiss](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kswiss)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/960 "2020-07-27T04:48:23Z")
WOW, I had no idea there were news articles supporting your viewpoint. I must be wrong. ---
**Author:** ![system](https://global.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/original/2X/e/e489c3b7d8fce19c4b355dd4fc3f88cc39c34b87.png) [@system](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/system)\ **Post date:** [July 27, 2020, 4:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/961 "2020-07-27T04:49:54Z")
This topic is temporarily closed for at least 4 hours due to a large number of community flags. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [July 28, 2020, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/962 "2020-07-28T22:46:48Z")
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