# Feds 'black-bagging people' in Portland **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 18, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638 "2020-07-18T03:19:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 49
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/964 "2020-07-30T19:03:41Z")
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**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/965 "2020-07-30T19:18:40Z")
[My response.](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/octopus-heres-your-own-thread-to-shit-all-over/815550/528) ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [July 30, 2020, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/966 "2020-07-30T19:42:01Z")
– is the thread open again? Sure looks like it. Hope it can stay civil enough to stay that way. > **[Oregon Gov. Says Federal Officers Will Begin Phased Withdrawal From Portland](https://www.npr.org/sections/live-updates-protests-for-racial-justice/2020/07/29/896638122/oregon-gov-says-federal-officers-will-begin-phased-withdrawal-from-portland)** > > Oregon Gov. Kate Brown said the federal agents sent to Portland acted as "an occupying force & brought violence." Brown says federal officers will leave starting Thursday. Going by the updated article, there seems to be some significant question as to what this will mean in practice. But it looks as if a negotiated way out of this may indeed be possible; and, with some facesaving noises involved, maybe the federal forces will back down. ---
**Author:** ![Whack-a-Mole](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/whack-a-mole/32/141_2.png) [@Whack-a-Mole](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Whack-a-Mole)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/967 "2020-07-31T02:09:01Z")
Why a “phased withdrawal”? Was it a “phased insertion”? I’m not putting you on the spot **thorny locust** …it is the link you gave and I doubt anyone here has an answer beyond, “It makes it look like they are retreating from a warzone.” Just put them all on a few busses and gone. Simple as that. No “phased” anything unless one bus leaving ten seconds behind another counts as a “phase”. ---
**Author:** ![nelliebly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nelliebly/32/5422_2.png) [@nelliebly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/nelliebly)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/968 "2020-07-31T03:55:04Z")
I think the idea is that if they don’t leave all at once, it won’t look so much like defeat, even though that’s exactly what it is. ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/969 "2020-07-31T04:04:10Z")
Here’s a bit of coverage from Portland: https://www.facebook.com/plugins/video.php?height=0&width=0&href=https://www.facebook.com/theoregonian/videos/were-live-in-downtown-portland-to-give-you-a-guided-tour-of-where-protests-happe/2810435615853076/ > **[Ryan Good](https://www.facebook.com/ryan.good.35/posts/10221642181578047)** > > For my non-Portland friends, and especially those of you who might be getting your news from conservative-leaning sources, I can confirm that this is true. Outside of that tiny area of Portland, you... > **[Log into Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/theoregonian/posts/10157994151951973)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. > **[Log into Facebook](https://www.facebook.com/oregongovernor/photos/a.1541284232796788/2645019925756541/?type=3&theater)** > > Log into Facebook to start sharing and connecting with your friends, family, and people you know. I’ve also seen photos of Portlanders (including demonstrators and allies) cleaning up debris each morning. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/970 "2020-07-31T16:12:57Z")
Portland has a pretty downtown! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/971 "2020-07-31T19:08:39Z")
Good article from Politifact: > **[PolitiFact - Who are the officers detaining protesters in Portland?](https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/jul/29/facebook-posts/who-are-officers-detaining-protesters-portland/)** > > Federal officers have detained people protesting against police brutality in Portland, Ore. But some Facebook users say "_Portland goon squads were Blackwater contractors not federal officers._”= False _We found no publicly available evidence that employees from Academi, a private military firm formerly known as Blackwater, or related companies have been deployed to quell protests in Portland instead of federal officers._ ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/972 "2020-07-31T22:24:46Z")
That’s so civic minded of them to clean up a fraction of the mess they made. Anyways, look at the destruction of Minneapolis after the riots there to understand why a federal response to the lawlessness is necessary when the city and state choose to allow the destruction of property and random violence. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/973 "2020-07-31T22:30:52Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > That’s so civic minded of them to clean up a fraction of the mess they made. It would seem reasonable to conclude that the people who made the mess are different people from the ones who are cleaning it up. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [July 31, 2020, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/974 "2020-07-31T22:53:21Z")
Unfortunately, those who make the worst mess and the most damaging environmental impact aren’t going to lift a fucking finger to clean up after themselves. Typical. > **[60-plus days of tear gas leaves lingering questions about environmental impacts](https://www.opb.org/article/2020/07/31/tear-gas-environmental-impact-portland/)** > > Public agencies are trying to answer a question on the minds of many, including a U.S. congressman and Oregon lawmakers: What will all that tear gas mean for trees, water and wildlife? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [August 1, 2020, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/975 "2020-08-01T01:07:20Z")
As I said the Feds were causing most of the problems: > **[Portland sees peaceful night of protests following withdrawal of federal agents](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/jul/31/portland-protests-latest-peaceful-night-federal-troops-withdrawal)** > > Thursday night’s protest passed off without major incident or intervention by the police in the absence of federal officers _But in the absence of the federal officers, Thursday night’s protest passed off without major incident or intervention by the police._ ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/976 "2020-08-03T14:02:22Z")
A good start, let’s see if it lasts, hopefully unlike Seattle. ---
**Author:** ![MissTake](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/misstake/32/3189_2.png) [@MissTake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MissTake)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/977 "2020-08-03T14:12:19Z")
> **[Community helps clean up burned buildings across Minneapolis after riots](https://www.kare11.com/article/news/local/george-floyd/community-cleans-up-minneapolis-after-george-floyd-protests/89-b6c813db-8c56-4176-ad16-e16df3868796)** > > Hundreds of people came together to help clean up the community that has been burned following nights of unrest. > **[Minneapolis volunteers clean up streets after Floyd protests](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/6/2/minneapolis-volunteers-clean-up-streets-after-floyd-protests)** > > Volunteers help clean up the streets of Minneapolis after protests, sometimes violent over police brutality. > **[Residents in north Minneapolis unite to clean up damage from protests](https://www.fox9.com/news/residents-in-north-minneapolis-unite-to-clean-up-damage-from-protests)** > > After days of unrest, looting and destruction in the Twin Cities metro, the cleanup along West Broadway in north Minneapolis is underway. Try again? ---
**Author:** ![SoToasty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sotoasty/32/2803_2.png) [@SoToasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoToasty)\ **Post date:** [August 3, 2020, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/979 "2020-08-03T14:31:11Z")
Flagged as SPAM ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 9:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/980 "2020-08-04T21:16:15Z")
Huh? What was flagged as SPAM, and why? ---
**Author:** ![SoToasty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sotoasty/32/2803_2.png) [@SoToasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoToasty)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/981 "2020-08-04T21:22:07Z")
Looks like it was removed. The post that was removed, was spam from a new user, first post. I posted flagged as spam so hundreds of people didn’t flag it and lock the thread. ---
**Author:** ![Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dr.winston_oboogie/32/2945_2.png) [@Dr.Winston\_OBoogie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Winston_OBoogie)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/982 "2020-08-04T21:23:21Z")
Ah. I wish there was some kind of placeholder there to show that your comment wasn’t directed at MissTake. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 9:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/983 "2020-08-04T21:27:05Z")
Once it’s flagged, the content is hidden/ignored. We don’t need to post a notice anymore. ---
**Author:** ![SoToasty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sotoasty/32/2803_2.png) [@SoToasty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SoToasty)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/984 "2020-08-04T21:29:13Z")
Sorry, didn’t know that. I have seen threads closed due to multiple flags. Maybe that is multiple people flagging multiple different posts. Learn something new everyday. 🙂 [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=48) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=50)