# Feds 'black-bagging people' in Portland **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 18, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638 "2020-07-18T03:19:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 50
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/985 "2020-08-04T21:30:14Z")
No prob, still much to learn. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/986 "2020-08-04T21:32:51Z")
Not sure whether the content gets hidden if the flagger hasn’t reached the exalted Level 3 yet (or whatever it’s called) . ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 9:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/987 "2020-08-04T21:33:52Z")
Spam gets hidden, not sure about the other flags. ---
**Author:** ![needscoffee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/needscoffee/32/1076_2.png) [@needscoffee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/needscoffee)\ **Post date:** [August 4, 2020, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/988 "2020-08-04T22:21:27Z")
Ah. Thx! ETA: see here: [Understanding Discourse Trust Levels](https://blog.discourse.org/2018/06/understanding-discourse-trust-levels/) ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 12:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/989 "2020-08-05T00:23:23Z")
Back to what the cops have been doing to Portland–daily tear gassing for months and now we find out that most of what they were blowing up and exposing people to in incredibly high concentrations has been long expired, some of those grenades are twenty years old. Expiration date for CS grenades is FIVE years. JFC, people are going to die of this shit, you watch. > **[Protesters and Lawmakers Are Concerned About the Effects of Expired Tear Gas](https://www.portlandmercury.com/news/2020/08/04/28698841/protesters-and-lawmakers-are-concerned-about-the-effects-of-expired-tear-gas)** > > Local police and federal officers in Portland appear to have used expired munitions during the city’s nightly downtown protests, exposing protesters to a range of potentially dangerous and under-researched health effects. Most tear gas canisters... ---
**Author:** ![susan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/susan/32/17537_2.png) [@susan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/susan)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 3:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/990 "2020-08-05T03:08:29Z")
> **[With federal agents off the streets, Portland protesters refocus](https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/2020/0804/With-federal-agents-off-the-streets-Portland-protesters-refocus?utm_term=Autofeed&utm_medium=Social&cmpid=FB&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR3sR8y0W4iSZUIQi-TNQ-3b1quYWeTFTGwo1-LcJxkeBC5a0QjrioIMfjg#Echobox=1596577017)** > > Portland protesters, relieved and energized by federal agents’ pullback, plan to refocus on their original goals against police violence and racism. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 7:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/991 "2020-08-05T07:54:36Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Back to what the cops have been doing to Portland–daily tear gassing for months and now we find out that most of what they were blowing up and exposing people to in incredibly high concentrations has been long expired, some of those grenades are twenty years old. Well, yeah, you want a _cost-effective_ suppression of disobedience, speech, and assembly. [/sarcasm] > [@SmartAleq](#): > > Expiration date for CS grenades is FIVE years. JFC, people are going to die of this shit, you watch. For some people, that would be a feature and not a bug. How dare the peasants get uppity! ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/992 "2020-08-05T16:25:21Z")
> [@needscoffee](#): > > Not sure whether the content gets hidden if the flagger hasn’t reached the exalted Level 3 yet (or whatever it’s called) Yes, indeed, it is called “exalted level three”. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/993 "2020-08-05T18:11:50Z")
Aaaand PPB is back in charge and so pissed they’re destroying people’s cars in frustration. And people wonder why we want to fire the entire department. Buncha assholes. > **[Portland police smash window, slash tires of woman’s Prius during protest...](https://www.oregonlive.com/news/2020/08/portland-police-smash-window-slash-tires-of-womans-prius-during-protest-dustup-video.html)** > > Zippy Lomax, 44, said Monday she still feels traumatized nearly two days after police in riot gear smashed up the Toyota in the middle of a residential street after they declared a disturbance and tried to clear the area. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/994 "2020-08-05T18:16:27Z")
Slashing tires helps to clear the area? ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/995 "2020-08-05T18:43:55Z")
Right? Typical cop logic. ---
**Author:** ![mikecurtis](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mikecurtis/32/3284_2.png) [@mikecurtis](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mikecurtis)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/996 "2020-08-05T19:33:25Z")
And yet, people are still resisting the move to disband the police. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/997 "2020-08-05T19:57:54Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Slashing tires helps to clear the area? Per the article, she was moving with the crowd. The police disable the vehicle so that she could no longer do that. I guess maybe a Prius is the antifa/BLM equivalent of a Bradley Fighting Vehicle so the PPB needed to take it out of the defense equation or something. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boudicca90/32/16818_2.png) [@Boudicca90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boudicca90)\ **Post date:** [August 5, 2020, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/998 "2020-08-05T20:38:13Z")
Yeah, the pigs did the same thing at the protest in Riverside, CA I was in. There was video of them damaging cars on the way to confront us in the attempt to make it seem like we caused the damage and give them an excuse to escalate things, which they did later that night. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/999 "2020-08-06T18:40:40Z")
People were wondering just how widespread the kidnappings were–here’s an article that expands on the magnitude of what the Goon Squads did here in Portland. > **[More Portlanders Share Experiences of Being Snatched—and Detained—by Federal...](https://www.portlandmercury.com/news/2020/08/05/28708420/more-portlanders-share-experiences-of-being-snatched-and-detained-by-federal-police)** > > When Tetra thinks back to the night he was kidnapped by federal police in downtown Portland, he can't help but laugh. “It was such a mess,” said Tetra, 24, who asked the Mercury to use only his first name out of privacy concerns. “These officers had... ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1000 "2020-08-06T19:48:08Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > People were wondering just how widespread the kidnappings were–here’s an article that expands on the magnitude of what the Goon Squads did here in Portland. Thank you. I opened the thread back up to ask if we’d heard of any more cases. Looks like that brings the number of confirmed people pulled into unmarked vans up to two. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 6, 2020, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1001 "2020-08-06T22:04:20Z")
Think you might want to revise your count there, homie. At least four mentioned by name in the article and every one of them spoke to others being held as well in similar circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 12:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1002 "2020-08-07T12:18:43Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Think you might want to revise your count there, homie. Think you want to comprehend the article you posted, homie. We can count vans line by line if you require assistance. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 12:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1003 "2020-08-07T12:43:41Z")
Vans can hold more than one person. Vans can also go back out after dropping off the “arrested” person(s). ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 7, 2020, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1004 "2020-08-07T12:47:28Z")
They sure can. And I would be surprised if there aren’t more cases, especially since DHS flat out admitted that’s how they were doing things. But right now we know of Pettibone (early in the thread) and Tetra (just now.) Unless I missed others in the shitshow that got the thread locked. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=49) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=51)