# Feds 'black-bagging people' in Portland **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 18, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638 "2020-07-18T03:19:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 51
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 4:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1005 "2020-08-08T04:27:11Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > Unless I missed others in the shitshow that got the thread locked. No, you’re missing two mentioned in the article linked [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/999). > Brittainy … who asked that we not use her last name because of privacy concerns > Marek Jarocki And at least two more who aren’t named: > One of Jarocki’s cellmates told him that he had been arrested after slipping and falling while running away from federal officers; another cellmate arrived after Jarocki, coated in pepper spray and so disoriented he hadn’t realized he was being detained. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 1:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1006 "2020-08-08T13:01:07Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > No, you’re missing two mentioned in the article linked [here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/999). The article I mentioned that brought the count up to two? No, you’re missing what I actually wrote: > [@Ruken](#): > > Looks like that brings the number of confirmed people pulled into unmarked vans up to two. Both > [@Ruken](#): > > **pulled into unmarked vans** and the reports by Pettibone and Tetra are a far cry from > Officers wearing DHS uniform or > walked her toward the Multnomah County Justice Center, which houses a county jail or > officers told Brittainy she was being detained for “failure to comply.” or > After being read her Miranda rights That’s about as conventional as it gets. The other two named individuals were detained by federal officers right outside the courthouse and brought inside. No “black-bagging”. No vans. That doesn’t mean any of this was proper, but I didn’t write a single word about the number of people detained, properly or not. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1007 "2020-08-08T14:56:56Z")
Bobsmom101- Just a note to remind you that calling other posters trolls is specifically against the rules. No warning issued. But I don’t want to see it happen again. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1008 "2020-08-08T16:15:02Z")
> [@Ruken](#): > > That’s about as conventional as it gets. What of this? > [@Skywatcher](#): > > another cellmate arrived after Jarocki, coated in pepper spray and so disoriented he hadn’t realized he was being detained. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 4:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1009 "2020-08-08T16:29:52Z")
Provocateurs continue to try to whip Portland up. It does not appear to be working though without the Federal agents shooting indiscriminately into crowds, targeting journalists and kidnapping people off the street. I like the recent words of the Governor: > “Don’t think for a moment that if you are participating in this activity, you are not being a prop for the reelection campaign of Donald Trump — because you absolutely are,” he said. “If you don’t want to be part of that, then don’t show up.” ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1010 "2020-08-08T16:36:54Z")
[Personal accounts and multiple videos posted online show the officers driving up to people, detaining individuals with no explanation about why they are being arrested, and driving off.](https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland) I wonder how many of these videos can be found. [Here’s one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isuc5DHgE1M), [reportedly of Feds in a rental](https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/07/17/federal-officers-appear-to-be-using-rental-cars-from-enterprise-to-snatch-portland-protesters/). Which brings up another question: how much of our tax dollars are being spent to rent these? ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1011 "2020-08-08T16:48:11Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Provocateurs continue to try to whip Portland up. It does not appear to be working though without the Federal agents shooting indiscriminately into crowds, targeting journalists and kidnapping people off the street. I like the recent words of the Governor: > > > “Don’t think for a moment that if you are participating in this activity, you are not being a prop for the reelection campaign of Donald Trump — because you absolutely are,” **he said**. “If you don’t want to be part of that, then don’t show up.” Whose governor would that be? Because Oregon’s governor is a bisexual woman, name of Kate Brown, who does NOT use he/him pronouns. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1012 "2020-08-08T16:52:55Z")
Who’s in this SUV? Or, not being a van, does it not count? [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/XomXxmJTrLI/maxresdefault.jpg "KGW News: Federal police pulling Portland protesters into unmarked vehicles") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XomXxmJTrLI) ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1013 "2020-08-08T17:10:31Z")
It seems as though, as often as [this is repeated](https://www.nybooks.com/daily/2016/11/10/trump-election-autocracy-rules-for-survival/), it is not being repeated enough > [@](#): > > **Rule #1** : _Believe the autocrat_ . He means what he says. Whenever you find yourself thinking, or hear others claiming, that he is exaggerating, that is our innate tendency to reach for a rationalization. This will happen often: humans seem to have evolved to practice denial when confronted publicly with the unacceptable. People don’t want to think that their way of life is in danger, and will grasp for any straws they can find in order to justify denial. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1014 "2020-08-08T18:00:22Z")
> [@SmartAleq](#): > > Whose governor would that be? Because Oregon’s governor is a bisexual woman, name of Kate Brown, who does NOT use he/him pronouns. Apologies. That was a quote from Portland’s mayor, Ted Wheeler. Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1015 "2020-08-08T18:42:14Z")
That does make more sense and sounds just like “Tear Gas Teddy.” I’m very pleased that he finally decided to attend one of the protests he was so free about allowing the PPB to run roughshod over and got the full treatment from the Goon Squads. He’s been much less pro-chemical weapons since then. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1016 "2020-08-08T21:30:14Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > What of this? If you think it disproves something I wrote, nobody’s stopping you from telling us. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 8, 2020, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1017 "2020-08-08T22:12:52Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > People don’t want to think that their way of life is in danger, and will grasp for any straws they can find in order to justify denial. Yep. Something clearly not conventional is getting a pass. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1018 "2020-08-09T03:56:50Z")
Portland protesters took to bulwarking their front line > with large decorated shields, presumably to deal with projectile weapons. Police, apparently baffled by the defenses, declared an unlawful assembly and threatened the protesters with “crowd control measures”. I am not clear on what the rules of protest are, but I recall hearing some while ago that demonstrators/protesters are not allowed to possess gas masks, so the big shields may have constituted some sort of protocol infraction. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 4:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1019 "2020-08-09T04:20:32Z")
Protests have shifted to the East Precinct building, which is about 2.5 miles from me as the crow flies and I’ve been able establish exactly when they declare it a riot because the mortars and flashbangs and tear gas canister explosions cause my nervous dog to turn herself inside out. I’m really sick of cops and their fucking tantrums. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 5:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1020 "2020-08-09T05:57:28Z")
> **[City staff could have been killed during riot, Wheeler says](https://katu.com/news/local/city-staff-could-have-been-killed-during-riot-portland-mayor-ted-wheeler-says)** > > Portland Mayor Ted Wheeler said during a news conference Thursday he believes city staff could have been killed during the riot outside the Portland Police Bureau’s East Precinct on Wednesday night. Wheeler used the words “attempted murder” when... The left is finding out they can’t control their monsters. Mostly peaceful attempted murderers… ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 6:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1021 "2020-08-09T06:31:42Z")
Righties like you literally killing people, and all you have to complain about is people starting fires. Beam/mote, etc. The people instigating and carrying out this shit should be arrested, tried, and imprisoned if convicted. Can you say the same about the attempted murderers you regularly defend? ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 11:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1022 "2020-08-09T11:57:56Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > [Personal accounts and multiple videos posted online show the officers driving up to people, detaining individuals with no explanation about why they are being arrested, and driving off.](https://www.npr.org/2020/07/17/892277592/federal-officers-use-unmarked-vehicles-to-grab-protesters-in-portland) I wonder how many of these videos can be found. > > [Here’s one](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Isuc5DHgE1M), [reportedly of Feds in a rental](https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/07/17/federal-officers-appear-to-be-using-rental-cars-from-enterprise-to-snatch-portland-protesters/). Which brings up another question: how much of our tax dollars are being spent to rent these? As I already wrote: > [@Ruken](#): > > I opened the thread back up to ask if we’d heard of any more cases. > [@Ruken](#): > > And I would be surprised if there aren’t more cases, especially since DHS flat out admitted that’s how they were doing things. Multiple people have asked if there were other known examples besides Pettibone. So thank you for posting something about the actual thread topic. Too bad it took nearly a thousand posts. ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1023 "2020-08-09T12:00:37Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > People don’t want to think that their way of life is in danger, and will grasp for any straws they can find in order to justify denial. This does not accurately describe the subthread you responded to, which began by my thanking someone for posting the second account of “black-bagging.” ---
**Author:** ![Ruken](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f475e1/32.png) [@Ruken](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ruken)\ **Post date:** [August 9, 2020, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1024 "2020-08-09T12:12:33Z")
> [@Skywatcher](#): > > Yep. Something clearly not conventional is getting a pass. If you think I’ve given anyone a “pass”, then you are continuing to misread, as already evidenced by your objections to my post about the article about Tetra. The “didn’t read” vibes in this thread are hilarious: 1. Thank your for posting the second example about black-bagging 2. “the article has more!” 3. It doesn’t 4. “what about Brittainy!” 5. That was a conventional arrest, not a blackbagging 6. “what about this other guy the reporter didn’t talk to!” 7. ? 8. Your post, above. I don’t know what the actual fuck you even think your debating _against_. But please do pass on any other examples you find of van-nappings. That goes for everyone else. I’ll do the same. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=50) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=52)