# Feds 'black-bagging people' in Portland **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 18, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638 "2020-07-18T03:19:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 56
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1106 "2020-08-13T15:20:03Z")
I am not justifying anything. What I actually did say is that we only know what was reported and that the people who did the shooting are under investigation. That’s the problem with you lot, you take reporting as gospel, I am awaiting further evidence. But you are trying to hang your collective hats on one single incident that already isn’t true to try and justify that the person got shot simply by standing and by standing, he was a threat! Mental gymnastics indeed! This tends to be the problem with hyperbolic statements, they are too easily proven false. It doesn’t lend credibility to any future arguments. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 3:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1107 "2020-08-13T15:20:48Z")
What was fake, WHY was he acquitted? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 3:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1108 "2020-08-13T15:22:14Z")
What was the follow up? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1109 "2020-08-13T15:25:52Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > What was the follow up [Miami Officer Acquitted Of Attempted Manslaughter In Shooting Of Caregiver](https://www.npr.org/2019/06/18/733621616/miami-officer-acquitted-of-attempted-manslaughter-in-shooting-of-caregiver) ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1110 "2020-08-13T16:48:42Z")
He was still guilty of culpable negligence e.g. The Boy-Did-YOU-Fuck-Up charge. And after serving a year in jail, he could conceivably still be a police officer. 🙄 Can we just get a ruling right here that **Kearsen’s** “Po-Po No Shoot Bystanders” argument is well and truly scuttled, and move on? ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1111 "2020-08-13T16:51:14Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > {…} Can we just get a ruling right here that **Kearsen’s** “Po-Po No Shoot Bystanders” argument is well and truly scuttled, and move on? The argument has married, and divorced, many household appliances. CMC ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 4:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1112 "2020-08-13T16:54:43Z")
Huh? 🤨 🤔 ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1113 "2020-08-13T16:58:36Z")
A callback to bad, even disingenuous, arguments in various _same sex marriage_ threads. CMC ---
**Author:** ![CaptMurdock](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/captmurdock/32/11736_2.png) [@CaptMurdock](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaptMurdock)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1114 "2020-08-13T17:05:46Z")
Ohhhh. Clever. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1115 "2020-08-13T17:35:57Z")
> [@CaptMurdock](#): > > Can we just get a ruling right here that **Kearsen’s** “Po-Po No Shoot Bystanders” argument is well and truly scuttled, and move on? Is [the Vox site](https://www.vox.com/identities/2020/5/31/21276013/police-targeted-journalists-covering-george-floyd-protests) citable? ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1116 "2020-08-13T17:42:11Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > They can’t help it. “Don’t shoot me” is, literally, a ‘trigger’ phrase. Citizen: Don’t shoot! Cop: YOU CAN’T TELL ME WHAT TO DO!!! _#hail of gunfire ensues#_ ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 13, 2020, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1117 "2020-08-13T19:59:30Z")
That guy shoulda gotten hung from his balls and it highlights a need for law enforcement change, but what it doesn’t do is prove that he got shot just for standing. As i stated before, hyperbolic statements are easily disproved. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1118 "2020-08-15T00:27:05Z")
Ok, so he got shot for just standing when I cop didn’t want him to just stand. In any case, the larger point that cops seem to be using dangerous force against those who offer no resistance or danger to them still stands (no pun intended). ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1119 "2020-08-15T00:31:35Z")
Huh, I didn’t see this. Speaking of hyperbolic statements, can you quote where anyone said that anyone got shot for _just_ standing? As you said, hyperbolic statements are easily disproven. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 2:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1120 "2020-08-15T02:22:03Z")
> [@Kearsen1](#): > > That’s the problem with you lot … Given that this is GD, you should really curtail the dickishness. ---
**Author:** ![Pavelb1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/439d5e/32.png) [@Pavelb1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pavelb1)\ **Post date:** [August 15, 2020, 3:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1121 "2020-08-15T15:11:42Z")
[Enh.](https://www.allsides.com/news-source/vox-news-media-bias) But as with almost all sites left of Stormfront or a grocery line tabloid…bias doesnt mean it didnt happen. ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 17, 2020, 12:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1122 "2020-08-17T12:56:57Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > So your problem was the statement that “Standing on two legs is a threat to cops?” That’s perfectly valid. Protesters get shot a whole bunch while doing nothing but standing, with the reasoning that they were being a threat to the police. It is a factual statement, that is backed by the police themselves. Right here K9, you must be getting as old as me not to remember typing this a few days ago. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 1:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1123 "2020-08-18T13:49:12Z")
Oh, sorry, you had redefined what “just standing there” meant for the purposes of this thread. You were very insistent that we use your definition. Since we accepted your definition, you should be operating under it as well. I thought that we were being quite accommodating by accepting your definition, have you changed your mind? As I said in that paragraph, they were protesting, which by your definition means not just standing. As I said, the reasoning that the police use is that they were a threat. So, do you want to use your definition, my definition, or do you just want to have it both ways? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1124 "2020-08-18T16:36:44Z")
Ha! I, as in me, redefined was “simply standing there” means? I don’t think so ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 18, 2020, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1125 "2020-08-18T17:11:11Z")
In this case, you can simply be standing , even while protesting. What you can’t do as “simply standing” is kick tear gas canisters back at the police, by ANY definition of simply standing That takes care of your example. The others, the verdict is out on them still. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=55) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=57)