# Feds 'black-bagging people' in Portland **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 18, 2020, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638 "2020-07-18T03:19:38Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 58
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1146 "2020-08-25T05:47:36Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > “[kids wearing hats](https://www.wweek.com/news/2020/08/22/although-infamous-street-brawler-tusitala-tiny-toese-is-a-wanted-man-he-was-front-and-center-today/)” [“Tiny” pulled the same short of shit in Austin as well](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/09/26/police-intervened-stop-proud-boy-becoming-violent-free-alex-jones-event-austin): > An Infowars livestream hosted by [Owen Shroyer](https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/08/31/unusual-alliance-infowars-joey-gibson-teaming-%E2%80%98street-army%E2%80%99-teams) captured Tusitala “Tiny” Toese — who is an active member of the hate group the [Proud Boys](https://www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/extremist-files/group/proud-boys) in addition to his prominence in Patriot Prayer — screaming at and threatening a small group of young African American men attending Austin’s Pecan Street Festival. According to Shroyer’s commentary, Toese went after them because they were wearing Obama hats. > > After a poorly attended rally of about 60 to 70 people earlier in the day, which featured Alex Jones himself as a last-minute surprise guest, right-wing demonstrators took their signs, their message and a bullhorn to the Pecan Street Festival and began, as one organizer put it on Facebook, “trolling 6th” street. Soon after they arrived, Toese, Patriot Prayer leader Joey Gibson and others in the group began what appears in Shroyer’s video to be an animated discussion with three young men. According to commentary in the video, demonstrators were upset by their Obama hats, which Shroyer insisted they wore on purpose “just to trigger you,” and they also objected to one man’s sweatshirt, which featured the name and likeness of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1147 "2020-08-25T05:52:59Z")
And here’s Tiny’s buddy Donovon Flippo, who was sentenced to eight days in jail for that 2018 assault. [![](https://www.wweek.com/resizer/xrBxEDEYr96RzcwAGGYjoFNkvEU=/600x0/filters:quality(100)/s3.amazonaws.com/arc-wordpress-client-uploads/wweek/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/19181650/pic-of-flippo.png) ](https://www.wweek.com/resizer/xrBxEDEYr96RzcwAGGYjoFNkvEU=/600x0/filters:quality(100)/s3.amazonaws.com/arc-wordpress-client-uploads/wweek/wp-content/uploads/2019/02/19181650/pic-of-flippo.png) ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 6:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1148 "2020-08-25T06:00:19Z")
Meet Joe Biggs: Florida man, Proud Boy, and former Infowars staffer. [![](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBJXuoKWkAI4KjI.jpg) ](https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EBJXuoKWkAI4KjI.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![casdave](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c6cbf5/32.png) [@casdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/casdave)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2020, 12:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1149 "2020-08-25T12:26:18Z")
I find it interesting to observe that the images of the three individuals seem to feel that wearing full beards is a badge, and is similar to the sort of thing that Muslim extremists also like to wear. I’m sure they are very proud of their Islamic brother terrorists ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1150 "2020-08-26T17:43:12Z")
And people wonder why we don’t like or trust the cops. They’re in bed with the white supremacists. > **[Portland Police Bureau Knew Tusitala “Tiny” Toese Was Attending a Proud Boy...](https://www.wweek.com/news/courts/2020/08/25/portland-police-bureau-knew-tusitala-tiny-toese-was-attending-a-proud-boy-rally-while-a-wanted-man/)** ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2020, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1151 "2020-08-26T18:01:17Z")
The know that civil unrest is good for Trump, so they are doing their best to create civil unrest. ---
**Author:** ![Doctorhmmmm](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@Doctorhmmmm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Doctorhmmmm)\ **Post date:** [August 30, 2020, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1152 "2020-08-30T01:19:21Z")
I agree on what manson is saying tbh there just rounding up Antifa rioters and besides most of them get released. ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1153 "2020-08-31T19:08:02Z")
Fascinating that a mostly peaceful antifa member shoots someone in Portland and crickets. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1154 "2020-08-31T19:11:18Z")
Yes, that _someone_ didn’t start a thread about it is telling. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1155 "2020-08-31T19:17:47Z")
Please provide a cite that the shooter was “antifa” or withdraw the claim. Thanks! Also, you seem to be able to reply to posts and shoo away crickets all by yourself. I’ll assume you support the shooter, since you didn’t reply earlier and didn’t start a new thread. Or something like that – I’m not really sure what you’re implying. ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1156 "2020-08-31T19:19:39Z")
Actually, the suspected shooter does not seem [fit the “mostly peaceful”](https://www.oregonlive.com/crime/2020/08/man-under-investigation-in-fatal-shooting-after-pro-trump-rally-allegedly-took-loaded-gun-to-earlier-portland-protest.html) characterization. ---
**Author:** ![RitterSport](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rittersport/32/6326_2.png) [@RitterSport](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RitterSport)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1157 "2020-08-31T19:23:32Z")
Sincere thanks for providing a cite that the suspect at least claims to be antifa! ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1158 "2020-08-31T19:45:58Z")
Apparently people were being detained by unidentified federal law enforcement in Kenosha, also: > **[Kenosha marches on as protesters describe 'kidnap' by federal agents](https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/29/kenosha-jacob-blake-protesters-police)** > > Residents take to streets to patch up damage as activists report being held for hours without charge The black-bagging is sort of spread out through that article. ---
**Author:** ![HMS\_Irruncible](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hms_irruncible/32/7394_2.png) [@HMS\_Irruncible](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HMS_Irruncible)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1159 "2020-08-31T20:17:16Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > Fascinating that a mostly peaceful antifa member shoots someone in Portland and crickets. I don’t hear crickets. I hear conservatives rending hairshirts trying to spin an anecdote into data, their favorite and basically only trick. What do you think you should have heard? Why do you think you are entitled to hear that? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1160 "2020-08-31T20:39:12Z")
Fascinating that a [major Trump supporter punches a protestor on camera](https://currently.att.yahoo.com/att/xandr/trump-ally-allegedly-punched-protester-181537341.html) and the police let him get away. Law and order, my ass. > Footage of that moment shows anti-Trump protester Anthony Harrington biking past a group of Trump supporters, yelling “Fuck Trump, fuck you!” As Harrington passed by, a man Harrington identified to The Daily Beast as Metaxas punched him in the side or back of the head. > The assailant, whose clothing matches what Metaxas wore that night, is then shown rapidly running backwards through the street, as a law enforcement officer pulls Harrington away. > > Metaxas did not return requests for comment. But even his allies believe he threw the punch, supporting Metaxas by name while [defending](https://www.theamericanconservative.com/dreher/eric-metaxas-protester-christian-dandy-throws-a-punch/) his action on grounds that Harrington “had it coming.” “Had it coming”. How fucking weak can the right wingers be? ---
**Author:** ![Kearsen1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Kearsen1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kearsen1)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1161 "2020-08-31T20:53:59Z")
From the sounds of it, he did have it coming. If you are going to scream profanities in your mostly peaceful voices, there might be repercussions. It is still assault though. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 9:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1162 "2020-08-31T21:01:25Z")
Looks to me like you’re trying to excuse it. So truthful though hurtful words are the equivalent of physical violence and call for actual violence in retaliation? ---
**Author:** ![octopus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/octopus/32/3716_2.png) [@octopus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/octopus)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1163 "2020-08-31T22:57:37Z")
If the DA wasn’t complicit in the violence by refusing to prosecute mostly peaceful rioters the dude that did the killing in Portland would be been in jail for previous offenses. ---
**Author:** ![SmartAleq](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smartaleq/32/163_2.png) [@SmartAleq](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SmartAleq)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1164 "2020-08-31T23:08:27Z")
> [@octopus](#): > > If the DA wasn’t complicit in the violence by refusing to prosecute mostly peaceful rioters the dude that did the killing in Portland would be been in jail for previous offenses… Excuse me? They JUST identified the victim and nobody knows who the shooter is so why are you spouting off as though you knew, well, anything? Put up a cite to the identity of the shooter or just STFU. ---
**Author:** ![Boudicca90](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boudicca90/32/16818_2.png) [@Boudicca90](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boudicca90)\ **Post date:** [August 31, 2020, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638/1165 "2020-08-31T23:47:39Z")
Just like in the thread about the DC protesters confronting the diners, Trump supporters believe it’s perfectly okay to respond to a person yelling at someone with physical (or even lethal) force. Thugs only know how to behave as thugs. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=57) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feds-black-bagging-people-in-portland/915638.md?page=59)