# Feeling guilty....please help me not feel so bad. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [May 1, 2003, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399 "2003-05-01T15:50:14Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/81 "2003-05-01T19:37:18Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ItsNotMe \* > \*\*You people are horrible and discussting! > > Are you listening to what you’re saying??? you should be ashamed!!! > > Declawing is the MOST terrible thing you could do to a cat, Lazer or not. Its cruel, its brutal, and for what!!! YOUR FURNITURE!!! PLEASE!!! \*\* I’m not quite convinced. Could you use some more punctuation? ---
**Author:** ![Lady\_Venom](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9fc348/32.png) [@Lady\_Venom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lady_Venom)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/82 "2003-05-01T19:37:29Z")
Indygrrl - Actually, it was that way when we moved in. My husband jokes about nude sunbathing. I’m not sure why it’s like that. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/83 "2003-05-01T19:38:00Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by The Great Unwashed \* > **My girlfriend is really pissing me off, I have tried _EVERYTHING_, even water-pistols.** Perhaps you shouldn’t date cats. ---
**Author:** ![Ethilrist](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ethilrist/32/4604_2.png) [@Ethilrist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ethilrist)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/84 "2003-05-01T19:40:28Z")
Hey, **ItsNotMe,** welcome to the board! Nice first post, v. appropriate for the Pit. Say. How’s about you get to know us before you call us horrible and disgusting? Just a thought. Thanks. ---
**Author:** ![ItsNotMe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/eb8c5e/32.png) [@ItsNotMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ItsNotMe)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/85 "2003-05-01T19:40:58Z")
neutering a cat is doing it a favor, while declawing it is ruining its life. Got it? RUINING ITS LIFE. Nothing less. Yes, LadyVenom should fel very very VERY guilty!!! she’s turning her cat to a disabled cat, NOT like spaying or neutering it. You can curse and try to shut me all you want, you dont scare me off - instead you can try to acknowledg the damn truth - declawind should be banned, against the law, caput! Why not cut kid’s hands off, for ruining the house?!?!?! HA? People, cats, dogs, they breath - they have nurves, they are made out of flesh and blodd! furniture - can be replaced, they dont feel a thing! So what, your guests will think less of you for having scratched furniture? So Fucking what?!?!?!?!?!?! I hope your cat have its revenge once declawed. I rule for the cat!!! ---
**Author:** ![DeskMonkey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/f14d63/32.png) [@DeskMonkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DeskMonkey)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/86 "2003-05-01T19:41:09Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Eve \* > \*\*Actually, I find that stuffing the cat into the microwave and pressing “popcorn” is much worse. \*\* This is going to make me laugh for the rest of the day. ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/87 "2003-05-01T19:41:36Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by carrot \* > \*\*Perhaps you shouldn’t date cats. \*\* CATIST! ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/88 "2003-05-01T19:45:03Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ItsNotMe \* > \*\* > I hope your cat have its revenge once declawed. I rule for the cat!!! \*\* I SPEAK FOR THE TREES!!! ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/89 "2003-05-01T19:46:22Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Ethilrist \* > **How’s about you get to know us before you call us horrible and disgusting?** It saves time to get it out of the way now. Besides, declawing a cat is RUINING ITS LIFE!!! I don’t know how you can argue we’re _not_ ‘discussting’, with logic like that sitting on your face. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jarbabyj \* > **CATIST!** Hey, some of my best friends are cats. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/90 "2003-05-01T19:48:15Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ItsNotMe \* > \*\*You people are horrible and discussting! > > Are you listening to what you’re saying??? you should be ashamed!!! > > Declawing is the MOST terrible thing you could do to a cat, Lazer or not. Its cruel, its brutal, and for what!!! YOUR FURNITURE!!! PLEASE!!! > You people think you love your pets?!? yeah, right! > This cat is better off back in the shelter WITH its claws, then with you, and I hope you pay for what you’re doing to your poor kitty!!! \*\* What the fuck is a _lazer_? 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Velma](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/85e7bf/32.png) [@Velma](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velma)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/91 "2003-05-01T19:48:35Z")
Please ignore the screaming idiots in this thread. There are so many cats that are put down every day because there are not enought people who can take them in. Any cat that has the chance to live in a loving home is a lucky cat. You have tried everything else, and as far as giving it up, I don’t know anyone who would adopt a cat who will destroy their furniture when there are a hundred other cats they could adopt. People who say just give the cat away to another home are kidding themselves. There is no reason why you should be expected to let a cat destroy your house. This does not mean you are “choosing your furniture over your cat.” There are not enough rolleyes to express my feelings about that sentiment. I believe people who abuse, neglect, or let their pets breed uninhibited are the ones people should be directing their rage at. NOT people like the OP who are providing loving homes. ---
**Author:** ![Emperor\_Penguin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c2a13f/32.png) [@Emperor\_Penguin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Emperor_Penguin)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/92 "2003-05-01T19:48:45Z")
I have to say you’ve done that right thing **Lady Venom**. Some cats cannot be trained. I know, I have one. I’m no stranger to training animals either. I trained my first dog to follow my hand signals to the point where I could hide a ball of her, and through hand and voice commands I could direct her to it, even when it was up to 50 yards away from me… I have also trained several lizards so that they would be comfortable around people. Heck, I had my old cat trained to come when I called him. The one I have now, no dice. Luckily, he isn’t into scratching the furniture, just my hand. As far as the declawing issue goes, I had no idea that it was such a hot button topic. I have known several indoor cats who were declawed, and were perfectly happy and healthy. I have to say, I really don’t have a problem with it. Simply from my personal experiences, it seems that cats who have undergone this procedure are not “messed up” or unhealthy in anyway. Of course YMMV. ---
**Author:** ![carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9de0a6/32.png) [@carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrot)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/93 "2003-05-01T19:48:49Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ItsNotMe \* > \*\*I rule for the cat!!! \*\* I just have to say, this is one of the most beautiful things I think I’ve ever read. Thank you, you fucking nutjob. ---
**Author:** ![Fin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@Fin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fin_man)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/94 "2003-05-01T19:49:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ItsNotMe \* > **neutering a cat is doing it a favor, while declawing it is ruining its life. Got it? RUINING ITS LIFE. Nothing less.** Please explain how neutering a cat is a favor while declawing is ruining its life? How exactly is a declawed cat’s life ruined? > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ItsNotMe \* > **You can curse and try to shut me all you want, you dont scare me off - instead you can try to acknowledg the damn truth - declawind should be banned, against the law, caput! > Why not cut kid’s hands off, for ruining the house?!?!?! HA?** Glad you aren’t scared off by a little “shut the fuck up.” If you were, I would be concerned if somebody let out a loud fart. Ok, you believe it should be banned/outlawed. Why? (and please answer more than “it is ruining the cat”). > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ItsNotMe \* > **People, cats, dogs, they breath - they have nurves, they are made out of flesh and blodd! furniture - can be replaced, they dont feel a thing!** And what about the nerves (yes, nerves - not nurves) that are cut when neutering a cat? I would think the nerves at the testicles or throughout the abdominal cavity are greater and possibly more sensitive than the paws. > [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by ItsNotMe \* > \*\*I hope your cat have its revenge once declawed. I rule for the cat!!! \*\* Well, it’s declawed, how can it get its revenge? Paw her to death? ---
**Author:** ![alice\_in\_wonderland](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alice_in_wonderland/32/176_2.png) [@alice\_in\_wonderland](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alice_in_wonderland)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/95 "2003-05-01T19:51:05Z")
Is it just me or does **ItsNotMe’s** posting style look eerily similar to that of **Rock&Fluff’smom**? Just asking. ---
**Author:** ![Fin\_man](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/51bf81/32.png) [@Fin\_man](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fin_man)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/96 "2003-05-01T19:53:46Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Emperor Penguin \* > **I trained my first dog to follow my hand signals to the point where I could hide a ball of her, and through hand and voice commands I could direct her to it, even when it was up to 50 yards away from me.** **Emperor Penguin** , that’s just cruel hidding a ball of your dog from her. ---
**Author:** ![teela\_brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@teela\_brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teela_brown)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/97 "2003-05-01T20:00:57Z")
Well, obviously the anti-cat-declawing league has been alerted to our presence and we will be inundated with drive-by propaganda from the Pwincess Fwuffykins bunch. Lady Venom, your cat is lucky to have you for a mom. Kudos to you for rescuing her from a shelter and giving her a loving, healthy and protected life. You’re doing what you must to keep you, your home, and your kitty in good harmony, and you shouldn’t countenance the guff from these goons who are posting in hysterics here today. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/98 "2003-05-01T20:01:23Z")
I think you missed a few exclamation points, **carrot**. [hijack]Lately, one of my ferrets has taken to declawing himself :eek: Two claws gone, another deformed. Yet he still climbs any and everything he can (including up my legs).[/hijack] ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/99 "2003-05-01T20:01:42Z")
English to German and back. neutralizing a cat does it a preference, while the Declawing ruins her its life. It receive? RUIN ITS LIFE. Nothing smaller. LadyVenom, if fel very very VERY guilty!!! it turns its cat to an unfit cat, NOT like the Spaying or a neutralizing it. They cannot verfluchen and the attempt to close to I the everything to wish you, you, scare me, away - instead of you can try the verfluchte truth to acknowledg - declawind should, against the law, caput be forbidden! Why not hands of the cut kid away, for ruining house!!! Hectar? From people, cats, dogs out, it breath - they have nurves, them meat and blodd are formed! Furniture - can be replaced, it believe not a thing! So which thinks, your guests smaller of you for scratching furniture? Which!!! so, bumsend I hope your cat have its revenge declawed once. I arrange for cat!!! on ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2003, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399/100 "2003-05-01T20:06:11Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by Fin\_man_ > **Please explain how neutering a cat is a favor while declawing is ruining its life? How exactly is a declawed cat’s life ruined?** I can’t speak for cats but I’d rather be declawed than deballed. But that’s just me speaking… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/feeling-guilty-please-help-me-not-feel-so-bad/172399.md?page=6)