# Fellow Dopers, A Word if I May **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [February 17, 2007, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586 "2007-02-17T02:51:57Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![lisacurl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/41988e/32.png) [@lisacurl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lisacurl)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 2:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/81 "2007-02-17T14:50:39Z")
[QUOTE=Little Nemo] Oaky, as others have requested I went back and reread the linked post. [/QUOTE] :rolleyes: That’s not the only thread being discussed here. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Purl_McKnittington)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 2:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/82 "2007-02-17T14:51:07Z")
[QUOTE=Zabali\_Clawbane] Further, **Lissa** , you didn’t make it clear until this thread that you brainfarted and weren’t considering that the crime being discussed happened in the U.K. when you first posted in that thread. Your apology didn’t even hint at that. So, can you see why people remained irritable now? If you’d have said that in with your apology, it would have made a difference with me at least. I’m human too, I make mistakes also. I hope that this helps you. [/QUOTE] How did she not acknowledge a “brainfart” with [this post](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8259678&postcount=20)? You acknowledged it yourself in that thread, a whole two days before making this post. That she thought the event occurred in the US is pretty heavily implied there. I don’t know how a reasonable person couldn’t come away with that impression. Unless somebody here is being unreasonable? But, no, that could never happen! > [@Larry Borgia](#): > > I honestly don’t understand why people are so worked up by this. If your source for a certain point is a friend or relative you should mention that, as Lissa does. If she posts something you think is incorrect, then argue with her. She’s hardly the first poster who won’t back down from a point. The vitriol over this baffles me. Ditto that. I am especially confused by the people who complain both about **Lissa** mentioning her husband’s job and her own work in the museum. Example: [catsix](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=8215935&postcount=114) in this thread. So, she can’t talk about her hubby’s job, which she has apparently assisted him, or her own, which she presumably has some first-hand experience in? In other words, a whole lot of people want to revoke her speaking privileges? Or at least limit them severely? Oh, yeah, that’s real cool. While we’re at it, why don’t we stop **catsix** from talking about guns and big bad feminists, **alice\_in\_wonderland** from talking about her breasts and ridiculous clothes collection, and the entire slew of male Dopers who ask for pictorial evidence whenever breasts are mentioned from doing so? Heaven forbid the SDMB did away with non-experts/hobbyists speaking with authority. General Questions would dry up faster than a well in a Kansas drought. But I have no spouse, so I have no one to turn to to tell me how to think. You guys are just going to have to disregard everything I said. I guess neither **Lissa** nor I are capable of independent research. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/83 "2007-02-17T14:53:44Z")
Well, I might have a go at being the little fish who turns around and swims against the school.\* I just read the 2 year old murder thread, and really, **Lissa** did nothing particularly wrong in there IMO. She fucked up to start with by babbling on about the US system when the crime was in the UK, but she retracted as soon as she realised she was barking up the wrong tree. Then she participated in a bit of thread shift. I found her to be informative, suitably humble, and at no time did she bring up “Hubby” without him being brought up first. Some people responded to her in a manner entirely out of proportion to her contribution to that thread, and it is clear that this is because of a bias brought about by **Lissa** ’s posting history. It is, no doubt, quite true that she can be irritating in other threads. But in that one? She was fine and it was a poor time to launch an attack on her. She may have deserved it in other threads, but not that one. \*Yes, I know I’m not the only one. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/84 "2007-02-17T15:01:07Z")
[QUOTE=Guinastasia] **Liberal** , you miserable piece of shit, and you WONDER why people get sick of you? [/quote] No. I couldn’t give less of a shit. > [@](#): > > **EddyTeddyFreddy** said nothing that deserved that kind of response. Away with you before you get one too. ETF jumped on a fucking _peacemaker_ for god’s sake, and reamed him out for not digging until he found sufficient reason to bash Lissa. “Hey, if you’d go do my work for me, you’d dislike her too!” What a goddamn rat. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/85 "2007-02-17T15:02:04Z")
[QUOTE=lisacurl] :rolleyes: That’s not the only thread being discussed here. [/QUOTE] Although that’s not directed at me, I’ll respond because I have also based my post entirely on that linked thread. She may well be guilty of the “my hubby this…”, “my hubby that…”, and “I know shit about the prison system so don’t argue with me…” in other threads. However, in that particular thread she did not deserve the response she got. Basically, she could’ve been a reformed poster in that thread, she made none of the transgressions that she’s been accused of in the past, and yet she’s jumped all over by a number of posters. It seemed to be built up frustration getting released. The “last straw” if you like. But people would do well, in real life as well as here, not to blow up at someone at a time when they’ve actually done nothing wrong. It can make it very confusing for the person who may have been making a concerted effort to change their ways. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/86 "2007-02-17T15:09:57Z")
> [@Miss Purl McKnittington](#): > > and the entire slew of male Dopers who ask for pictorial evidence whenever breasts are mentioned from doing so? To be fair, that has been remarkably absent from the last few boob threads. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/87 "2007-02-17T15:17:46Z")
Lissa can’t fucking win until she never talks about prisons ever again here, right? I mean, she did EXACTLY what you wanted – SHE DIDN’T MENTION HER FUCKING HUSBAND. Yet half of you are sitting here accusing her of doing exactly that, even though she went out of her way not to. Can’t you see that if people are attacking her in that very thread over stuff she WASN’T DOING – literally stating that she did something there she never did – that maybe it’s all in their fucking heads? Maybe she had a problem once, fixed it, and in grand traditional human nature, some of you shitheads just can’t let her change? Lissa, I’ll tell you why. Because over at that “other place”, they like to make fun of you about this, and they do it so fucking much they have actually lost sight of reality and now think that you mention it as much as they do. Which you don’t. So fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/88 "2007-02-17T15:19:42Z")
[QUOTE=Struan] The film’s called “The Day the Earth Stood Still”. Classic Fifties SF. > **[The Day the Earth Stood Still](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Day_the_Earth_Stood_Still)** > > The Day the Earth Stood Still is a 1951 American science fiction film from 20th Century-Fox, produced by Julian Blaustein and directed by Robert Wise. It stars Michael Rennie, Patricia Neal, Hugh Marlowe, Sam Jaffe, Billy Gray, Frances Bavier and Lock Martin. The screenplay was written by Edmund H. North, based on the 1940 science fiction short story "Farewell to the Master" by Harry Bates. The film score was composed by Bernard Herrmann. Set in the Cold War during the early stages of the n Aft... [/QUOTE] Thank you very much, **Struan** (and **Klaatu** ); I knew of the film (but have never seen it), and had no idea that that was how “Klaatu” got it’s name. My Sargasso Sea of ignorance is that much smaller. [Sigh.] Please give me time. My brain moves slowly. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/89 "2007-02-17T15:25:29Z")
I think my position on this issue is clear but allow me to say: 1. I think people see what they want to see. There has been very little “vitriol” directed at **Lissa** ; in fact, people have been quite remarkably nice to her by Pit standards. 2. This isn’t a witch hunt of people trying to nail her to the cross of her husband’s employment: She _asked_ for feedback by opening this thread. Personally, I wouldn’t have posted again on the subject at all if she hadn’t done so. 3. This isn’t insisting that she be held to some double standard of “humbleness” not required of others. I am confident that if other posters posted as authoritatively on a single topic, with as little actual experience, that they would aggravate people as well. 4. The clear majority of posters who cared enough to weigh it have said, yes, I perceive this too, and it’s annoying. Not “light the torches and grab your pitchforks!” just – yes, it’s annoying. Maybe you shouldn’t do it. What she does with that information, if anything, is up to her, but to characterize this as a vitriolic witch hunt is inaccurate – especially when the feedback she’s receiving is feedback she asked for. And, on preview, it should be completely clear that I DON’T CARE IF SHE MENTIONS HER FUCKING HUSBAND. I care that she posts like she’s the Last Word on the subject _and_ it ends up that the only source of her authority is her husband. Did that bug me in the one thread where it’s become an issue between us? Yeah, it did. Completely off-topic but I feel I should say it: **Liberal:** > [@](#): > > You are such a goddamn mean whore. It isn’t just that you delight in knocking people down. No, that requires more courage than you can muster. You’re just a middle rat in the rat patrol, and you only poke your head into the room when you’re sure that other rats have chased the cat away. You scour the Pit for threads where people you don’t like are being beaten up. And then you preen your rat head and write your rat snark and laugh at your rat cleverness. You murder with words. It’s beyond schadenfreude. Misfortune isn’t enough for you. You’re like Brutus stabbing Caesar. You wait until others have done the job, and then you sneak through the crowd to plunge your blade into his belly where the body is softest because you don’t have the strength to stab through a rib. Then you masturbate while you listen to the death rattle. Thank god your seed is wasted. This is vicious, beyond meanspirited, and completely content free – a bomb dropped in the middle of a thread in progress with no apparent provocation, about a post that was not uncivil and not even directed at you. I see you post shit like this out of left field like this, and I honest to God wonder if you have a mental disorder and are off your meds. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/90 "2007-02-17T15:26:50Z")
[QUOTE=Struan] “Taint” is slang for the perineum. [/QUOTE] Well, of course, but that only comes up around the office cooler when the Lakers loose. We obviously are reffering to another use of the word. ---
**Author:** ![Ensign\_Edison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7ab992/32.png) [@Ensign\_Edison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ensign_Edison)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/91 "2007-02-17T15:27:10Z")
Jodi, you might not care, but your issue is not the only one at hand, and there are people who in that very thread were complaining about her non-existent mentions of Hubby. Those are the ones at whom my comment was directed. That said, HER ONLY SOURCE WAS NOT HER HUSBAND and she went way out of her way to make sure of it. And I think it’s hilarious when people say shit like “you’re off your meds” because somebody wrote a flame in the Pit. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/92 "2007-02-17T15:31:11Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] This is vicious, beyond meanspirited, and completely content free – a bomb dropped in the middle of a thread in progress with no apparent provocation, about a post that was not uncivil and not even directed at you. [/quote] God, you are shameless. You drop a bomb about something not directed at you about a bomb about something not directed at me. Maybe you should just, like, fucking skip it or something. As a matter of fact, have you ever posted anything to me that wasn’t intended to correct me, chide me, or scold me in some way? Maybe you should look into some meds for youself. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/93 "2007-02-17T15:35:44Z")
[QUOTE=Ensign Edison] Lissa, I’ll tell you why. Because over at that “other place”, they like to make fun of you about this, and they do it so fucking much they have actually lost sight of reality and now think that you mention it as much as they do. Which you don’t. So fuck 'em. [/QUOTE] I want to know about this “other place”. Can someone give me the low down? ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/94 "2007-02-17T15:39:21Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] I want to know about this “other place”. Can someone give me the low down? [/QUOTE] It’s a site devoted to talking about the goings-on of the SDMB. It’s really very sad. I’d give you a hint of the name so you could google it, but I honestly can’t remember. It is kind of entertaining to read stuff posted by people with such a feeble grasp on real life that they actually gossip about a message board. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/95 "2007-02-17T15:39:48Z")
[QUOTE=lowbrass] Lissa, it’s been my experience that you tend to have an overly-contentious, hostile, and condescending attitude in your posts. Perhaps you should be looking inward rather than casting blame outwards. [/QUOTE] I haven’t noticed this myself, but then I tend to scan threads, due to time constraints, [QUOTE= DrDeth] Lissa I appreciate your unique perspective and the life experience of your Husband. You are a Source. (but sometimes you do speak a tiny bit too authoritively. Of course so do I ) [/QUOTE] Well, I do too, though I have no authority whatsoever, except over whether to sign for a FedEx delivery (an authority I delight in, though I always sign). But I still don’t see why this ad hominem thread has sprung up. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/96 "2007-02-17T15:44:59Z")
[QUOTE=1920s Style “Death Ray”] It’s a site devoted to talking about the goings-on of the SDMB. It’s really very sad. I’d give you a hint of the name so you could google it, but I honestly can’t remember. It is kind of entertaining to read stuff posted by people with such a feeble grasp on real life that they actually gossip about a message board. [/QUOTE] As I recall, one user was banned (or suspended) when she uncovered a conspiracy there to coordinate a Pit attack on someone here, and then linked to it from a Pit thread of her own. I suspect that some of the type 1 pile-ons originate from there. You can usually recognize them from their format: “You suck!” “Yeah, you really suck!” “I think you suck too!” Dumbasses don’t even bother to concoct reasonable differences among them. ---
**Author:** ![Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e9a140/32.png) [@Miss\_Purl\_McKnittington](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miss_Purl_McKnittington)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/97 "2007-02-17T15:46:55Z")
[QUOTE=Ensign Edison] Lissa, I’ll tell you why. Because over at that “other place”, they like to make fun of you about this, and they do it so fucking much they have actually lost sight of reality and now think that you mention it as much as they do. Which you don’t. So fuck 'em. [/QUOTE] That’s my feeling as well. Down to the “So fuck 'em.” **monstro** , if you want a link, IM/PM/e-mail me and I’ll get one to you. Of course, there’s not a lot of content and you’ll probably be rolling your eyes continuously, but curiosity killed the cat and satisfaction brought him back. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Pearse](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/richard_pearse/32/13144_2.png) [@Richard\_Pearse](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Pearse)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/98 "2007-02-17T15:48:17Z")
[QUOTE=Liberal] As I recall, one user was banned (or suspended) when she uncovered a conspiracy there to coordinate a Pit attack on someone here, and then linked to it from a Pit thread of her own. [/QUOTE] I do believe I remember that. I think that is how a stumbled across that other place. ---
**Author:** ![Lissa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/85f322/32.png) [@Lissa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lissa)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/99 "2007-02-17T15:53:48Z")
As per the thread with Jodi, I knew the moment that I left it would be counted as a “victory”, but I humbly submit that despite her claims that what the jail in that case did was illegal, jails all over the country do the same thing every day (in refusing to give inmates the medication they bring in with them and refusing them treatments they had been recieving on the outside if the doctor on the inside doesn’t agree they’re necessary. I provided a few examples of policy, none at the location in question, but not every jail has their policy online.) If the medication was one which was not in the jail’s fomulary/dispenary it couldn’t be issued by the jail, and they couldn’t just go get it out of her purse and give it to her. Firstly, they’d probably be breaking a rule in going in to dig through her personal effects and secondly, some places have a rule against giving an inmate so much as an _aspirin_ without medical’s approval. So, if medical didn’t approve for whatever reason, “there was nothing they could do.” I cannot argue legally, citing the case of _Nosepicker v. State_– I’m not a lawyer. What I can say is that these policies have stood up to intense legal scrutiny and numerous challenges and have been found to be consitutional. Now, because this particular type of situation had never come up before, it’s likely that policy will be reviewed and it’s possible that changes will be made, but not certain, because this is a one-in-a-million situation. [QUOTE=Ensign Edison] Lissa, I’ll tell you why. Because over at that “other place”, they like to make fun of you about this, and they do it so fucking much they have actually lost sight of reality and now think that you mention it as much as they do. Which you don’t. So fuck 'em. [/QUOTE] I didn’t know there was “another place” nor that I was the object of ridicule there. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [February 17, 2007, 4:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586/100 "2007-02-17T16:07:31Z")
[QUOTE=Lissa] As per the thread with **Jodi** , I knew the moment that I left it would be counted as a “victory”, but I humbly submit that despite her claims that what the jail in that case did was illegal, jails all over the country do the same thing every day . . . . [/quote] Perhaps you’d like to make your humble submissions in the correct thread and pick the conversation back up again? I would be delighted to follow you back over. And I for one find it both amusing and quite telling that having asked for particular feedback as to what the problem is, you have completely ignored the feedback you’ve received to go back to defending the substance of your position – which isn’t even the issue of this thread, started by you yourself. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-dopers-a-word-if-i-may/392586.md?page=6)