# Fellow Trump voters: How do you think the Donald is doing so far. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 10, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849 "2017-03-10T07:38:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/201 "2017-03-11T21:10:02Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I also noticed that Rasmussen was the 2nd most accurate pollster in this election, putting Hillary ahead in the popular vote by 2 points–which was her exact winning margin of the popular vote. ([http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public\_content/politics/elections/election\_2016/rasmussen\_reports\_calls\_it\_right%20](http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2016/rasmussen_reports_calls_it_right%20)) A lot of the other polls got 2016 wrong. Rasmsussen got it exact. > > 2016 was the year people should have learned not to trust everything pollsters say. By continually citing polls showing Trump’s supposed low approval rating, they evidently did not learn that lesson. Since there’s generally a 3 point plus/minus in polls, the [vast majority](http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/president/) were in the ball park. Hitting the mark exactly is more luck than any polling technique. ---
**Author:** ![msmith537](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d9b06d/32.png) [@msmith537](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/msmith537)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/202 "2017-03-11T21:50:08Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I didn’t need Trump to tell me that ultraliberal Democrats and their big-government agenda were a threat to America’s economical health, security and safety; I knew that well beforehand. Because you have a background in economics?:dubious: I ask, because like every conservative I know barely passed high school, but all of a sudden they are Milton Friedman when it comes to economic policy. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/203 "2017-03-11T22:15:50Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Because you have a background in economics?:dubious: > I ask, because like every conservative I know barely passed high school, but all of a sudden they are Milton Friedman when it comes to economic policy. I’m a college student at Rutgers Business School, and I am in fact taking many economics classes. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/204 "2017-03-11T22:19:51Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > Because you have a background in economics?:dubious: > I ask, because like every conservative I know barely passed high school, but all of a sudden they are Milton Friedman when it comes to economic policy. The knowledge trickles down. Like… \ ---
**Author:** ![Fiveyearlurker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/da6949/32.png) [@Fiveyearlurker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fiveyearlurker)\ **Post date:** [March 11, 2017, 11:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/205 "2017-03-11T23:54:32Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I don’t think it’s accurate to say there’s more people against him than for him, since only 60% of eligible voters turned out. If 100% of eligible voters turned out, he very well may have won a majority, or a plurality, of the popular vote. There’s just no way to know. And Rasmussen and Politico polls show him with a respectable approval rating, ranging from 49-51%. Even Rasmussen has him underwater at 48/52 currently, which is WAY low historically. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/206 "2017-03-12T00:36:19Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > It must have been traumatic for you to realize that other people don’t have the same opinions as you. This is rich, considering how this poster is being treated. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 1:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/207 "2017-03-12T01:17:52Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > That’s my thinking too, and he hasn’t lied about any of his campaign promises so far, especially as it related to increased rule of law and more enforcement of our anti-illegal alien laws. Just look at the how much more efficient the ICE is now that he’s unshackled them from Obama-era enforcement restrictions. [Immigration Agents Discover New Freedom to Deport Under Trump](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/25/us/ice-immigrant-deportations-trump.html) [Consider this article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-winning-argument-democrats-have-against-trump/2017/03/10/503f4a80-05a3-11e7-b1e9-a05d3c21f7cf_story.html?utm_term=.2d03ca367684), where it points out how quickly the clock is ticking on many of his promises: > [@](#): > > Trump promised “in the first 90 days” he “would immediately start renegotiating our trade deals with Mexico, China, Japan.” Not a single one of these negotiations has begun. He also said he’d “fight for . . . passage within the first 100 days of my administration” for legislation to end U.S. companies’ ability to manufacture goods overseas and import them without tariffs. Again, Trump hasn’t written any plan to do that, let alone asked Congress to pass it. > … > Trump promised to stop the loss of jobs going overseas starting on “day one. It’s so easy.” But major manufacturers continue to move jobs overseas in far larger numbers than the jobs supposedly “saved” at Trump’s December photo-op at Carrier, even including jobs at Caterpillar and Nucor, companies represented on Trump’s own job-creation task force. > … > Trump promised to fight for passage of a $1 trillion public-private infrastructure plan within his first 100 days. . . .the White House has told allies that Trump likely won’t even send an infrastructure plan to Congress until 2018 — meaning shovels won’t be moving until 2019 at the earliest. > … > The list of “kitchen table” concerns on which Trump promised focus and action — “immediately” — in his first 100 days as president goes on: affordable child care, middle-class tax relief, simpler tax forms, savings accounts for elder care and more. But Trump has not offered plans to do any of these things thus far — not one. I’m stopping quoting here not because the list of broken promises has stopped, but because if I keep quoting the list, I’m gonna run into copyright restrictions. Read the article. His first 100 days end on April 29th. Do you genuinely see him on track to fulfill his first-hundred-days campaign pledges by then? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 1:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/208 "2017-03-12T01:33:09Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > His first 100 days end on April 29th. Do you genuinely see him on track to fulfill his first-hundred-days campaign pledges by then? Nobody knew that doing these things would be so hard. NOBODY. I mean, it was obvious that Obama could have done all these things, except he hates America, right? So all that was needed was someone to step in and say “do these things”. And they would be done. NOBODY could have ever predicted that presidenting would be this hard. Therefore, it must be someone else’s fault. Probably Obama. Ya that’s the ticket. Obama is still making sure that everything is broken. With his secret army of leftist workers. And his wiretapping. That’s right. That’s it. It’s Obama’s fault. ---
**Author:** ![Chimera](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Chimera](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chimera)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 2:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/209 "2017-03-12T02:39:47Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Therefore, it must be someone else’s fault. Probably Obama. Ya that’s the ticket. Obama is still making sure that everything is broken. With his secret army of leftist workers. And his wiretapping. That’s right. That’s it. It’s Obama’s fault. Now for some reason I want to see a guerilla campaign run against him where a dwarf in an Oompa-Loompa suit just follows him everywhere. Standing directly across from the White House. Showing up at Maralago. Standing across from Trump Tower. No message, nothing threatening, just an Oompa-Loompa everywhere he goes, staring at him. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/210 "2017-03-12T04:58:58Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > This is rich, considering how this poster is being treated. Forgive us, wrap us in the generous cloud of your empathy. We are aghast, we see people who tell us that we should be respectful of Hannibal Lecter, because, after all, the man is a doctor! It gets on our nerves, frays the silken threads of our polite discourse. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/211 "2017-03-12T05:33:44Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Nobody knew that doing these things would be so hard. NOBODY. > > I mean, it was obvious that Obama could have done all these things, except he hates America, right? So all that was needed was someone to step in and say “do these things”. And they would be done. > > NOBODY could have ever predicted that presidenting would be this hard. > > Therefore, it must be someone else’s fault. Probably Obama. Ya that’s the ticket. Obama is still making sure that everything is broken. With his secret army of leftist workers. And his wiretapping. That’s right. That’s it. It’s Obama’s fault. [ > [@Rep. Mike Kelly (R-Pa.)](#): > > President Obama himself said he was going to stay in Washington until his daughter graduated. > > I think we ought to pitch in to let him go someplace else because he’s only there for one purpose and one purpose only, and that is to run a shadow government that is going to totally upset the new agenda. ]([http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/323457-gop-rep-obama-running-a-shadow-government-to-undermine-trump](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/323457-gop-rep-obama-running-a-shadow-government-to-undermine-trump))Video at the link. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/212 "2017-03-12T05:36:32Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > [url=[http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/323457-gop-rep-obama-running-a-shadow-government-to-undermine-trump](http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/323457-gop-rep-obama-running-a-shadow-government-to-undermine-trump)]Video at the link. I guess Rep. Kelly doesn’t realize that Obama could run a shadow government from anywhere in the world as easily as from down the street. It’s amazing how Republicans still don’t understand technology. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/213 "2017-03-12T05:53:14Z")
Lot of them understand it quite well. Luckily for them, the people they are lying to don’t. ---
**Author:** ![Robot\_Arm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/robot_arm/32/18280_2.png) [@Robot\_Arm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Robot_Arm)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 6:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/214 "2017-03-12T06:26:30Z")
If having a shadow government is so easy, why didn’t George W. Bush just keep running the country after Obama was elected? Seems like the Republicans missed a golden opportunity there. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 12:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/215 "2017-03-12T12:03:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > I guess Rep. Kelly doesn’t realize that Obama could run a shadow government from anywhere in the world as easily as from down the street. > It’s amazing how Republicans still don’t understand technology. Shadow power and the weirding way decrease with the square of the distance. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/216 "2017-03-12T12:58:42Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > This is rich, considering how this poster is being treated. Because this [QUOTE=ckalli1998] I didn’t need Trump to tell me that ultraliberal Democrats and their big-government agenda were a threat to America’s economical health, security and safety; I knew that well beforehand. [/QUOTE] is a sure way to ingratiate, win friends, and influence people. Same ol’ same ol’. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 1:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/217 "2017-03-12T13:18:50Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Forgive us, wrap us in the generous cloud of your empathy. We are aghast, we see people who tell us that we should be respectful of Hannibal Lecter, because, after all, the man is a doctor! It gets on our nerves, frays the silken threads of our polite discourse. Polite discourse? It is to laugh. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/218 "2017-03-12T14:05:47Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Polite discourse? It is to laugh. With all due respect, address the question the OP is asking about how you think the Donald is doing so far, and take your finger wagging about how mean liberals are to Trump supporters to another thread. We’ll gladly join you there to give it all the attention it deserves. ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/219 "2017-03-12T16:08:40Z")
> [@aldiboronti](#): > > Talk about allowing individual states to decide on bathroom gender issues I have no issue with. Allow the states to decide these things for themselves, it seems to me that’s the inherently democratic road to take. Then you must also support allowing states to decide on racial, ethnic, religious, and sexual discrimination for themselves too. Since Democracy, yo. > [@](#): > > I’m not seeing how bullying would be any worse for transgenders either way. We’re not “transgenders” nor “a transgender,” the term is transgender persons, transgender men, transgender women, etc. It’s been discussed for thousands of words on this board, and can be easily found by Google. It’s not just about bullying, it’s about discrimination over bathroom and gym and sport and dress code and innumerable other things regarding public accessibility. It’s about a religious conservative movement to dehumanize and weaponize us, stopping to the shopworn mendacity of “won’t SOMEONE think of the (Jesus-fearing white cisgender) children?” > [@](#): > > The things I don’t like? Spicer’s tough talk on marijuana I find disappointing. Trying to turn the clock back is ludicrous and could inflict real harm on people. If Trump really goes through with this then he’s more of an idiot than I thought he was (which is saying something as I already considered him a massive idiot, albeit a useful one.) Tough talk on people recreationally smoking a plant is what bothers you more - not the tens of thousands of transgender students facing bullying and discrimination and who can be denied proper facilities and accommodation. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/220 "2017-03-12T16:14:23Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Tough talk on people recreationally smoking a plant is what bothers you more - not the tens of thousands of transgender students facing bullying and discrimination and who can be denied proper facilities and accommodation. Perhaps if he is permitted to smoke enough pot, he’ll just chill out on his objection to trans-gender rights. i.e.: 1. dope 2. love 3. peace, ftw. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849.md?page=12)