# Fellow Trump voters: How do you think the Donald is doing so far. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 10, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849 "2017-03-10T07:38:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 12
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/221 "2017-03-12T16:15:41Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > We’re not “transgenders” nor “a transgender,” the term is transgender persons, transgender men, transgender women, etc. It’s been discussed for thousands of words on this board, and can be easily found by Google. I don’t see how this, as a blanket term for both transmen and transwomen, can be objectionable, except of course when it is obviously used as a term of disparagement. Of course certain other terms can be objectionable because they have a long history of use as a disparaging term (cf. “tranny”) but I don’t see this here. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/222 "2017-03-12T16:24:16Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Then you must also support allowing states to decide on racial, ethnic, religious, and sexual discrimination for themselves too. Since Democracy, yo. > We’re not “transgenders” nor “a transgender,” the term is transgender persons, transgender men, transgender women, etc. It’s been discussed for thousands of words on this board, and can be easily found by Google. > > It’s not just about bullying, it’s about discrimination over bathroom and gym and sport and dress code and innumerable other things regarding public accessibility. It’s about a religious conservative movement to dehumanize and weaponize us, stopping to the shopworn mendacity of “won’t SOMEONE think of the (Jesus-fearing white cisgender) children?” > > Tough talk on people recreationally smoking a plant is what bothers you more - not the tens of thousands of transgender students facing bullying and discrimination and who can be denied proper facilities and accommodation. I have nothing wrong with transgenderism, or transgender people in particular. I do, however, have a problem with those who claim that it is a “civil right” for transgender people to use whatever bathroom they want because of Title IX–which is a blatant misreading of the statute. It’s quite clear from the words of the statute that it was meant only to apply to discrimination from the basis of one’s biological sex, not their “gender identity.” It’s political correctness run amok. It’s not about religious discrimination; Trump said that during the campaign that he would have no problem with Caitlyn Jenner using his bathroom at Trump Tower, but still supported North Carolina’s bathroom bill, because, as he said in a 2016 Hannity interview, “I think that local communities and states should make the decision. And I feel very strongly about that. The federal government should not be involved.” ([-Trump, in an interview with Sean Hannity, April 2016](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-north-carolina-transgender-bathroom-law-election-2016/) Trump believed it should be turned back to the states for them to make their own decision about it, which is perfectly reasonable. The fact of the matter is that a man who undergoes sex reassignment surgery to become a woman may be a transgender woman, yes, but they are still a biological man–that’s what the science says. You don’t become a biological woman by mutilating your genitals and taking hormones and wearing female dresses–you’re a transgender woman, but a biological man. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/223 "2017-03-12T16:28:53Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I have nothing wrong with transgenderism, or transgender people in particular. I do, however, have a problem with those who claim that it is a “civil right” for transgender people to use whatever bathroom they want because of Title IX–which is a blatant misreading of the statute. It’s quite clear from the words of the statute that it was meant only to apply to discrimination from the basis of one’s biological sex, not their “gender identity.” It’s political correctness run amok. > > It’s not about religious discrimination; Trump said that during the campaign that he would have no problem with Caitlyn Jenner using his bathroom at Trump Tower, but still supported North Carolina’s bathroom bill, because, as he said in a 2016 Hannity interview, “I think that local communities and states should make the decision. And I feel very strongly about that. The federal government should not be involved.” ([-Trump, in an interview with Sean Hannity, April 2016](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-north-carolina-transgender-bathroom-law-election-2016/) > > Trump believed it should be turned back to the states for them to make their own decision about it, which is perfectly reasonable. > > The fact of the matter is that a man who undergoes sex reassignment surgery to become a woman may be a transgender woman, yes, but they are still a biological man–that’s what the science says. You don’t become a biological woman by mutilating your genitals and taking hormones and wearing female dresses–you’re a transgender woman, but a biological man. Why is it okay in Trump Tower but not North Carolina? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/224 "2017-03-12T16:31:17Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Why is it okay in Trump Tower but not North Carolina? Trump never said it was not “okay” in North Carolina, he just said that the elected representatives over there should be the ones calling the shots, not the federal government. In other words, he believed that it should be voluntary for a state to allow a transgender individual to use a bathroom that comports with their “gender identity”, not mandatory, as it’s not really a civil right. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/225 "2017-03-12T16:35:59Z")
If the issue or trans-gender rights is an issue of human rights (which it is), why should the states have the right to over-rule federal laws. Couldn’t the same argument be made about racial discrimination - leaving it up to states as to what access minorities can have to public facilities? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/226 "2017-03-12T16:41:58Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > In other words, he believed that it should be voluntary for a state to allow a transgender individual to use a bathroom that comports with their “gender identity”, not mandatory, as it’s not really a civil right. So ‘equal protection under the law’ for ‘any person’ doesn’t apply to transgender people? Does that not imply that transgender people are not ‘persons’? Or maybe they only count as 3/5 of a person? Do you think [this](http://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.com/files/2015/03/13/IJustNeedToPee-x400.jpg) and [this](http://www.advocate.com/sites/advocate.com/files/2015/03/16/MichaelHughes1x400.jpg) are what Conservatives want? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/227 "2017-03-12T17:01:25Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > If the issue or trans-gender rights is an issue of human rights (which it is), why should the states have the right to over-rule federal laws. Couldn’t the same argument be made about racial discrimination - leaving it up to states as to what access minorities can have to public facilities? “trans-gender rights” is not a human right. A person who was born a man is a biological man, no matter whether they mutilate their genitals, take hormones, and wear female attire. A person who was born a woman is a biological woman will always be a biological woman, no matter what surgery they get to obtain an artificial penis, whether they start taking hormones, etc. Facts are facts. It’s not a human right, it never has been, and there is no law in Congress or ruling by the Supreme Court saying that it is. In fact, a respected U.S. District Court Judge Robert Doumar specifically ruled in 2015 in favor of a school that doesn’t have a transgender policy, because there’s no precedent for it. Racial discrimination, on the other hand, is a clear violation of blacks’ human and civil rights; that is why “no coloreds” fountain, “whites-only” bar stools, etc. are unconstitutional. Also, we conservatives have only said that it should be up to states’ elected officials to adopt policies regarding this issue. If a state were to adopt a policy by the lawmakers allow people to use their “gender identity” when seeking a bathroom, we’d have no problem with it, iit’s a perfect example of allowing the states to do what they want to do. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/228 "2017-03-12T17:26:24Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > “trans-gender rights” is not a human right. A person who was born a man is a biological man, no matter whether they mutilate their genitals, take hormones, and wear female attire. A person who was born a woman is a biological woman will always be a biological woman, no matter what surgery they get to obtain an artificial penis, whether they start taking hormones, etc. I contend that it is and that all humans should be offered equal protection under the law, regardless of gender, race or sexual identity. > [@ckalli1998](#): > > Facts are facts. It’s not a human right, it never has been, and there is no law in Congress or ruling by the Supreme Court saying that it is. In fact, a respected U.S. District Court Judge Robert Doumar specifically ruled in 2015 in favor of a school that doesn’t have a transgender policy, because there’s no precedent for it. That is not the last word on the subject. Far from it. > [@ckalli1998](#): > > Racial discrimination, on the other hand, is a clear violation of blacks’ human and civil rights; that is why “no coloreds” fountain, “whites-only” bar stools, etc. are unconstitutional. But there was a time, not so long ago, when some states had a different view of it. > [@ckalli1998](#): > > Also, we conservatives have only said that it should be up to states’ elected officials to adopt policies regarding this issue. If a state were to adopt a policy by the lawmakers allow people to use their “gender identity” when seeking a bathroom, we’d have no problem with it, iit’s a perfect example of allowing the states to do what they want to do. If conservatives of your stripe would have no problem with it in states where trans-gender rights were recognized, why are you punting it to individual states to decide? You either support the tenet of trans-gender rights, or you do not. Either it’s a moral or immoral to discriminate against a class of people based on their gender identity. Why is morality subject to change when it crosses state lines? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/229 "2017-03-12T17:33:03Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > I contend that it is and that all humans should be offered equal protection under the law, regardless of gender, race or sexual identity. > > That is not the last word on the subject. Far from it. > > But there was a time, not so long ago, when some states had a different view of it. > > If conservatives of your stripe would have no problem with it in states where trans-gender rights were recognized, why are you punting it to individual states to decide? You either support the tenet of trans-gender rights, or you do not. Either it’s a moral or immoral to discriminate against a class of people based on their gender identity. Why is morality subject to change when it crosses state lines? No one’s discriminating against transgenders. We don’t have a beef with transgenders. Not at all. We just don’t consider it discrimination for transgenders to have to use the bathroom of their biological sex. They can always use the bathroom they want at their home, at workplaces that allow it and so on ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/230 "2017-03-12T17:36:27Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > With all due respect, address the question the OP is asking about how you think the Donald is doing so far… I did. Page 2. Minus a couple issues (Obamacare, for one) I agree with what he’s done so far and continue to believe my vote for him was the right one. > [@QuickSilver](#): > > …and take your finger wagging about how mean liberals are to Trump supporters to another thread. We’ll gladly join you there to give it all the attention it deserves. Yes _sir_. Right away _sir_. In case you missed it, I was responding to the irony of this comment, from this very thread… “It must have been traumatic for you to realize that other people don’t have the same opinions as you.” Uh huh. I can’t handle opinions that differ from my own. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/231 "2017-03-12T17:36:53Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > No one’s discriminating against transgenders. We don’t have a beef with transgenders. Not at all. We just don’t consider it discrimination for transgenders to have to use the bathroom of their biological sex. They can always use the bathroom they want at their home, at workplaces that allow it and so on Sorry, no. You don’t seem to understand. “We’re not discriminating against black people. They can use the black water fountain, and certainly get whatever water they want at home” You are asking a person who identifies as a woman, looks like a woman, and has woman parts to use a men’s bathroom, because her cells have a “y” chromosome in them that you can’t see without a powerful microscope. This is foolish. It is nonsensical. It only exists because of pure ignorance of what a transgendered person is. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/232 "2017-03-12T17:38:43Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > No one’s discriminating against transgenders. We don’t have a beef with transgenders. Not at all. We just don’t consider it discrimination for transgenders to have to use the bathroom of their biological sex. They can always use the bathroom they want at their home, at workplaces that allow it and so on Look, coloreds just have to use the bathroom assigned by law. They can use the bathroom they want at home, at workplaces that allow it and so on. You don’t see it, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/233 "2017-03-12T17:39:03Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > “trans-gender rights” is not a human right. A person who was born a man is a biological man, no matter whether they mutilate their genitals, take hormones, and wear female attire. A person who was born a woman is a biological woman will always be a biological woman, no matter what surgery they get to obtain an artificial penis, whether they start taking hormones, etc. > > Facts are facts. OK, let’s look at facts. [Gender Identity Linked With Dozens of Genes](http://www.webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20031020/is-sexuality-hardwired) > [@](#): > > found more than 50 genes that expressed differently in males and females, reports Vilain. “Some will be turned on at high levels in males but not in females, and in others, it’s the opposite situation.” > > These are the biological clues to gender identity – one’s own perceptions of one’s sex, whether they feel they are male or female, Vilain explains. > > “It’s independent from the way we look, and also independent from sexual attraction,” he adds. “Sexual orientation is independent from gender identity. A huge majority of gay men don’t feel that they belong to the wrong gender.” [Is gender identity biologically hard-wired?](http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/biology-gender-identity-children/) > [@](#): > > DR. JOSHUA SAFER, Boston University: In most people, chromosomes, body parts, gender identity align. So, somebody with a male chromosome, somebody with male body parts is going to have male gender identity. That is the usual circumstance. > > All of these are independently controlled biologically, and therefore it is no surprise that, in a given subset of the population, one part is not aligned, that whatever genes are controlling that happen to be different for that individual, and that’s what’s happening with transgender individuals. [Study In Transsexuals: Significant Genetic Link To Gender Identity](https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/10/081030111005.htm) > [@](#): > > In the largest ever genetic study of male to female transsexuals Australian researchers have found a significant genetic link between gender identity and a gene involved in testosterone action. [UCLA researchers are studying the biological origins of sexual orientation and gender identity](http://newsroom.ucla.edu/stories/male-or-female) > [@](#): > > A growing body of research is showing how biology influences gender expression, sexual orientation and gender identity — characteristics that can also fall outside of strict, socially defined categories. How is genetically-determined sexual identity different from genetically-determined skin colour? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/234 "2017-03-12T17:46:05Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > No one’s discriminating against transgenders. We don’t have a beef with transgenders. Not at all. We just don’t consider it discrimination for transgenders to have to use the bathroom of their biological sex. They can always use the bathroom they want at their home, at workplaces that allow it and so on Wrong. That _is_ precisely what you’re doing. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 5:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/235 "2017-03-12T17:50:55Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > Sorry, no. You don’t seem to understand. > > “We’re not discriminating against black people. They can use the black water fountain, and certainly get whatever water they want at home” > > You are asking a person who identifies as a woman, looks like a woman, and has woman parts to use a men’s bathroom, because her cells have a “y” chromosome in them that you can’t see without a powerful microscope. This is foolish. It is nonsensical. It only exists because of pure ignorance of what a transgendered person is. That “woman” is still a biological man according to all the biological and scientific facts and evidence in question, and should not have special privileges just because he underwent sex reassignment–more accurately genital mutilation–surgery, starting taking hormones and began to cross-dress to appear like a woman. The problem with these mandatory laws is that heterosexual, non-transgender men will game the system and take advantage of them to prey on women. Lots of transgender advocates say that won’t happen because men never go undercover disguised as women to prey and spy on women. That’s not true. I have numerous examples: 1.) [Man in women’s locker room cites gender rule.](http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattle/man-in-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/65533111) Note that this man was not arrested and detained because of the rules and actually came back _again_ when there were young girls present. 2.)[Sexual predator jailed after claiming to be ‘transgender’ to assault women in shelter](http://linkis.com/www.lifesitenews.com/12D80) 3.)[Man in Drag Caught in Macy’s Women’s Rest 4.)[URL=“http://www.dailywire.com/news/330/university-toronto-dumps-transgender-bathrooms-pardes-seleh”]The University of Toronto wisely got rid of their “transgender-inclusion” policy after male boys took advantage of the law to peep on females.](http://www.dailywire.com/news/4522/man-drag-caught-macys-womens-restroom-secretly-amanda-prestigiacomo) Yeah, so don’t try and say that it’s discriminatory to have these laws. It’s common sense. It doesn’t make anyone who supports them a bigot or a religious zealot. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/236 "2017-03-12T18:07:32Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > That “woman” is still a biological man according to all the biological and scientific facts and evidence in question, and should not have special privileges just because he underwent sex reassignment–more accurately genital mutilation–surgery, starting taking hormones and began to cross-dress to appear like a woman. Which mall bathroom would you have [this person](http://michaelfairmansoaps.com/news/chaz-bono-to-guest-star-on-the-bold-and-the-beautiful/2016/02/11/) use? > [@ckalli1998](#): > > The problem with these mandatory laws is that heterosexual, non-transgender men will game the system and take advantage of them to prey on women. Lots of transgender advocates say that won’t happen because men never go undercover disguised as women to prey and spy on women. That’s not true. I have numerous examples: > 1.) [Man in women’s locker room cites gender rule.](http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattle/man-in-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/65533111) Note that this man was not arrested and detained because of the rules and actually came back _again_ when there were young girls present. > 2.)[Sexual predator jailed after claiming to be ‘transgender’ to assault women in shelter](http://linkis.com/www.lifesitenews.com/12D80) > 3.)[Man in Drag Caught in Macy’s Women’s Rest > 4.)[URL=“http://www.dailywire.com/news/330/university-toronto-dumps-transgender-bathrooms-pardes-seleh”]The University of Toronto wisely got rid of their “transgender-inclusion” policy after male boys took advantage of the law to peep on females.](http://www.dailywire.com/news/4522/man-drag-caught-macys-womens-restroom-secretly-amanda-prestigiacomo) There are laws in place to punish sexual predators. They will continue to be enforced. > [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yeah, so don’t try and say that it’s discriminatory to have these laws. It’s common sense. It doesn’t make anyone who supports them a bigot or a religious zealot. Wrong again. That’s exactly what that makes them. No matter how many racist talking points you regurgitate. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/237 "2017-03-12T18:14:01Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Which mall bathroom would you have [this person](http://michaelfairmansoaps.com/news/chaz-bono-to-guest-star-on-the-bold-and-the-beautiful/2016/02/11/) use? > > There are laws in place to punish sexual predators. They will continue to be enforced. > > Wrong again. That’s exactly what that makes them. No matter how many racist talking points you regurgitate. Not only did I not use any racist talking points, but this discussion has quickly become a pile-on, which is unfortunate. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 6:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/238 "2017-03-12T18:14:54Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > That “woman” is still a biological man according to all the biological and scientific facts and evidence in question, and should not have special privileges just because he underwent sex reassignment–more accurately genital mutilation–surgery, starting taking hormones and began to cross-dress to appear like a woman. > > The problem with these mandatory laws is that heterosexual, non-transgender men will game the system and take advantage of them to prey on women. Lots of transgender advocates say that won’t happen because men never go undercover disguised as women to prey and spy on women. That’s not true. I have numerous examples: > 1.) [Man in women’s locker room cites gender rule.](http://www.king5.com/news/local/seattle/man-in-womens-locker-room-cites-gender-rule/65533111) Note that this man was not arrested and detained because of the rules and actually came back _again_ when there were young girls present. > 2.)[Sexual predator jailed after claiming to be ‘transgender’ to assault women in shelter](http://linkis.com/www.lifesitenews.com/12D80) > 3.)[Man in Drag Caught in Macy’s Women’s Rest > 4.)[URL=“http://www.dailywire.com/news/330/university-toronto-dumps-transgender-bathrooms-pardes-seleh”]The University of Toronto wisely got rid of their “transgender-inclusion” policy after male boys took advantage of the law to peep on females.](http://www.dailywire.com/news/4522/man-drag-caught-macys-womens-restroom-secretly-amanda-prestigiacomo) > > Yeah, so don’t try and say that it’s discriminatory to have these laws. It’s common sense. It doesn’t make anyone who supports them a bigot or a religious zealot. About your [religious zealots.](http://addictinginfo.org/2016/05/02/christian-group-admits-to-sending-men-into-womens-bathrooms-to-scare-you-into-hating-trans-people/) > [@](#): > > But rather than take a moment of reflection and realize that what’s really at work here is regular old transphobia and fear-mongering being used to hit back at the LGBT community for having scored a number of recent victories at the state and federal level, conservatives are trying to invent the problem to justify their barbaric solution. For an obvious example, look no further than designated hate group American Family Association, whose director of governmental affairs, Sandy Rios, just **admitted that her organization has been sending men into women’s bathrooms at Target in the hopes of eliciting a reaction** ---
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> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Not only did I not use any racist talking points, but this discussion has quickly become a pile-on, which is unfortunate. Makes it easy for you to avoid answering questions, like about what bathroom folks like [this person](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.advocate.com%2Fsites%2Fadvocate.com%2Ffiles%2F2015%2F05%2F01%2Fmens-health_aydianx400d.jpg&imgrefurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.advocate.com%2Fcommentary%2F2015%2F05%2F05%2Fop-ed-5-reasons-mens-health-needs-trans-man-cover&docid=CovW1R0-8fIxkM&tbnid=huEQQuAysmrF-M%3A&vet=1&w=400&h=513&bih=643&biw=1366&q=trans%20man&ved=0ahUKEwi0wvrcytHSAhWK6iYKHYkaDxEQMwhdKAQwBA&iact=mrc&uact=8#h=513&imgrc=huEQQuAysmrF-M:&vet=1&w=400) should use. You’d prefer that he was required by law to use the ladies room? ---
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Which bathroom for this [person](https://www.google.com/search?q=buck+angel&client=ms-android-metropcs-us&prmd=ivn&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwix2__tytHSAhULw2MKHT0hBgEQ_AUICCgB&biw=320&bih=440#imgrc=g3p-E_itYfllPM:)? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849.md?page=11) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849.md?page=13)