# Fellow Trump voters: How do you think the Donald is doing so far. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 10, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849 "2017-03-10T07:38:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 14
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/261 "2017-03-12T20:02:33Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > your question assumes that there are no places where transgender bathroom laws exist to allow people who are transgendered to use their favored bathroom. They do. And they can petition their local elected official if they want to change it. The transgender community is tiny, somewhere on the order of 0.5% of the general population. What are the chances that these few voices could influence state legislature in a meaningful way to change laws without the help and support of good people of conscience? People whose interest in human rights don’t end at the end of their own nose. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/262 "2017-03-12T20:57:46Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > [Consider this article](https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-winning-argument-democrats-have-against-trump/2017/03/10/503f4a80-05a3-11e7-b1e9-a05d3c21f7cf_story.html?utm_term=.2d03ca367684), where it points out how quickly the clock is ticking on many of his promises: > > I’m stopping quoting here not because the list of broken promises has stopped, but because if I keep quoting the list, I’m gonna run into copyright restrictions. Read the article. > > His first 100 days end on April 29th. Do you genuinely see him on track to fulfill his first-hundred-days campaign pledges by then? While the transgender conversation is totally worth having, I wanted to push this question back to the forefront: ckalli has suggested that Trump is living up to his promises, but from where I sit, there are huge swaths of promises he made–promises that enabled him to peel off a lot of working class voters–that he shows no signs of interest in any more. Is that not something his supporters agree with? ---
**Author:** ![Superdude](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/superdude/32/13450_2.png) [@Superdude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superdude)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 9:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/263 "2017-03-12T21:25:01Z")
It’s those damn Democrats not confirming his cabinet picks quickly enough. And activist judges. ---
**Author:** ![Ambivalid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/a5b964/32.png) [@Ambivalid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ambivalid)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/264 "2017-03-12T21:42:29Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I believe that marriage should be an institution between men and women. What problems arise, in your mind, when gays are allowed to marry? ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 10:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/265 "2017-03-12T22:15:55Z")
I have alarming news to report as regards the corruption and negation of values. I was at an outdoor gathering recently and was struck by an urgency. An lo! A posse of Porta-pottys, all lined up, identical, with no gender specification _whatsoever_! Not only were you not required to correctly identify your gender and match it with appropriate setting, you were not given the means to do so! Well, you can just imagine my shock, horror and dismay! Perhaps you can’t. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/266 "2017-03-12T22:37:38Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I believe that marriage should be an institution between men and women. Is that belief religion-based? ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/267 "2017-03-12T23:33:13Z")
> [@Ludovic](#): > > I don’t see how this, as a blanket term for both transmen and transwomen, can be objectionable, except of course when it is obviously used as a term of disparagement. Of course certain other terms can be objectionable because they have a long history of use as a disparaging term (cf. “tranny”) but I don’t see this here. Transgender is an adjective, not a noun. Some guidance can be found here: [Transgender People | GLAAD](http://www.glaad.org/reference/transgender) ---
**Author:** ![Una\_Persson](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/una_persson/32/346_2.png) [@Una\_Persson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Una_Persson)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/268 "2017-03-12T23:37:37Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > No one’s discriminating against transgenders. We don’t have a beef with transgenders. Not at all. We just don’t consider it discrimination for transgenders to have to use the bathroom of their biological sex. They can always use the bathroom they want at their home, at workplaces that allow it and so on Your first sentence is demonstrably false by a 5-second Google search. And at didn’t take you long to slip into referring to us as an adjective. So if a state votes that blacks, or Jews, or Mexicans should be banned from public bathrooms, you’re cool with that. Jeeze. It’s like whack-a-mole with all these sudden “new” anti-trans posters. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2017, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/269 "2017-03-12T23:39:18Z")
> [@Una\_Persson](#): > > Transgender is an adjective, not a noun. Not unlike many people who tend to vote for a particular party call undocumented aliens ‘illegals’. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/270 "2017-03-13T02:01:38Z")
> [@Johnny\_L.A](#): > > Not unlike many people who tend to vote for a particular party call undocumented aliens ‘illegals’. You say that as if “illegals”, or “illegal aliens” is an inaccurate term. It’s not. It’s an accurate term to describe people who came into this country in an illegal manner. To a hypersensitive politically-correct person it might be, but it’s not. As for the other poster, what you’re doing is a false equivalency, comparing transgender people with blacks, Jews in regards to the bathroom issue. The science is clear in those regards, and they shouldn’t be discriminated against for their race or their religion. Transgender people, on the other hand, are essentially asking for special privileges just because they underwent fancy sex-reassignment surgery, surgery which doesn’t change the fact that transgender women are still biologically male, and transgender men are still biologically women. Nice try. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/271 "2017-03-13T02:09:06Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > You say that as if “illegals”, or “illegal aliens” is an inaccurate term. It’s not. It’s an accurate term to describe people who came into this country in an illegal manner. To a hypersensitive politically-correct person it might be, but it’s not. > > As for the other poster, what you’re doing is a false equivalency, comparing transgender people with blacks, Jews in regards to the bathroom issue. The science is clear in those regards, and they shouldn’t be discriminated against for their race or their religion. Transgender people, on the other hand, are essentially asking for special privileges just because they underwent fancy sex-reassignment surgery, surgery which doesn’t change the fact that transgender women are still biologically male, and transgender men are still biologically women. Nice try. Obviously, you’re not aware that some transgender folk do not undergo sex reassignment. Special privileges? You mean the same ones as you and I have when we leave the house? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/272 "2017-03-13T02:12:09Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > Obviously, you’re not aware that some transgender folk do not undergo sex reassignment. > Special privileges? You mean the same ones as you and I have when we leave the house? If they don’t undergo sex reassignment, then they’re simply cross-dressers, period. Why should they be allowed to use the women’s bathroom when they’re nothing more than biological men in dresses? And why should women be allowed to use the men bathroom when they’re just women who’ve undergone some attire changes as well? It would open the door to a whole host of abuse, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_L.A](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_l.a/32/1084_2.png) [@Johnny\_L.A](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_L.A)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/273 "2017-03-13T02:19:17Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > You say that as if “illegals”, or “illegal aliens” is an inaccurate term. It’s not. ‘Illegal aliens’ is accurate. ‘Illegal’ is an adjective. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/274 "2017-03-13T02:20:20Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > If they don’t undergo sex reassignment, then they’re simply cross-dressers, period. Why should they be allowed to use the women’s bathroom when they’re nothing more than biological men in dresses? And why should women be allowed to use the men bathroom when they’re just women who’ve undergone some attire changes as well? It would open the door to a whole host of abuse, etc. Cross-dressing is not the same as gender identity. Besides, women can wear pants without censure so why can’t men wear a dress? How about those who have undergone sex reassignment, such that you wouldn’t know? Right now, some states require them to use the bathroom for the gender they no longer appear to be. What’s your solution? ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Ace](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/6bbea6/32.png) [@Johnny\_Ace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Ace)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/275 "2017-03-13T02:42:49Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > **I have no problem with gays adopting children if there’s no other option for those kids** , although I believe that marriage should be an institution between men and women. Emphasis mine. So heterosexual couples should be given priority for adoption? Nope, nothing discriminatory to see here… [QUOTE=ckalli1998] That “woman” is still a biological man according to all the biological and scientific facts and evidence in question, and should not have special privileges just because he underwent sex reassignment–more accurately genital mutilation–surgery, starting taking hormones and began to cross-dress to appear like a woman. [/QUOTE] Not all, as the post two before yours points out, and it’s not an area that has been heavily studied at this point. To make that claim is disingenuous at best. > [@](#): > > The problem with these mandatory laws is that heterosexual, non-transgender men will game the system and take advantage of them to prey on women. Lots of transgender advocates say that won’t happen because men never go undercover disguised as women to prey and spy on women. That’s not true. I have numerous examples: > 1.) Man in women’s locker room cites gender rule. Note that this man was not arrested and detained because of the rules and actually came back again when there were young girls present. > 2.)Sexual predator jailed after claiming to be ‘transgender’ to assault women in shelter > 3.)[URL=“[http://www.dailywire.com/news/4522/man-drag-caught-macys-womens-restroom-secretly-amanda-prestigiacomo](http://www.dailywire.com/news/4522/man-drag-caught-macys-womens-restroom-secretly-amanda-prestigiacomo)”]Man in Drag Caught in Macy’s Women’s Rest > 4.)The University of Toronto wisely got rid of their “transgender-inclusion” policy after male boys took advantage of the law to peep on females. > > Yeah, so don’t try and say that it’s discriminatory to have these laws. It’s common sense. It doesn’t make anyone who supports them a bigot or a religious zealot. Bullshit. It’s a solution in search of a problem. Cherrypicked, individual anecdotes of sexual predation is not data. In fact, all the data ‘in question’ points to there being no problem other than the same predation that’s been going on for thousands of years. But thanks are due to religious conservatives who probably gave the idea to some predators who would never have thought of it. There are laws on the books to deal with sexual predators already. Laws like the NC (and currently TX) thing are no more than inflexible fundamentalists claiming that their religious beliefs are a viable rationale for discrimination. They’re not. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 2:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/276 "2017-03-13T02:47:24Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > If they don’t undergo sex reassignment, then they’re simply cross-dressers, period. Why should they be allowed to use the women’s bathroom when they’re nothing more than biological men in dresses? And why should women be allowed to use the men bathroom when they’re just women who’ve undergone some attire changes as well? It would open the door to a whole host of abuse, etc. **ckalli** , you’ve got a lot of opinions on this. How confident are you that you have enough background knowledge on these issues to support the strength of your opinions? Because a lot of what you’re saying is coming across as plain ignorant of the latest research (and by “latest” I mean anything from the past half-century). You may find that folks here are more willing to educate you if you’ll end more sentences with question marks than with exclamation points. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 3:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/277 "2017-03-13T03:03:33Z")
Look, I realize that some transgender people have been harassed and targeted and even murdered. That is disgraceful, and it must stop and police must go to all lengths to catch those people. I also know they have a high suicide rate, which is tragic as well. No one is saying transgender people should be shunned from society; I knew a transgender girl student at one of my classes and I got along fine with her. All I’m saying is that we should look at this through an objective, fact-based, but compassionate manner, and look twist the Constitution like pretzels. The legislators who passed Title IX couldn’t possibly have known that it would ever be applied to transgender individuals, it was meant to protect women from sexist discrimination. That’s all ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/278 "2017-03-13T03:23:20Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Look, I realize that some transgender people have been harassed and targeted and even murdered. That is disgraceful, and it must stop and police must go to all lengths to catch those people. > > I also know they have a high suicide rate, which is tragic as well. No one is saying transgender people should be shunned from society; I knew a transgender girl student at one of my classes and I got along fine with her. > > All I’m saying is that we should look at this through an objective, fact-based, but compassionate manner, and look twist the Constitution like pretzels. The legislators who passed Title IX couldn’t possibly have known that it would ever be applied to transgender individuals, it was meant to protect women from sexist discrimination. That’s all What bathroom does your classmate use, or do you think she only goes at home? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 3:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/279 "2017-03-13T03:36:25Z")
> [@raventhief](#): > > What bathroom does your classmate use, or do you think she only goes at home? The female bathroom. ---
**Author:** ![raventhief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/raventhief/32/4_2.png) [@raventhief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/raventhief)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2017, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/280 "2017-03-13T03:40:37Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > The female bathroom. And that doesnt scandalize you? After all, you appear to be of the opinion that transgender people should only go at home, or use the bathroom of their biological sex. She is not …asking for special privilege or something, is she? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849.md?page=13) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849.md?page=15)