# Fellow Trump voters: How do you think the Donald is doing so far. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 10, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849 "2017-03-10T07:38:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/41 "2017-03-10T15:57:16Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > It would hurt the economy, particularly small-business owners who sell that kind of ammunition. And getting rid of all the illegal immigrants will hurt all those companies that employed them, particularly in the agricultural industry. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/42 "2017-03-10T16:03:26Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > About as reliable as environmental impact studies funded by the oil & gas industries. > > And even if these numbers were to be accurate, still don’t give a damn. Sorry. (Not really). Where are we at in society where we put the livelihoods of a few shellfish and birds over human beings?:(:(☹ ---
**Author:** ![ThelmaLou](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thelmalou/32/390_2.png) [@ThelmaLou](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ThelmaLou)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/43 "2017-03-10T16:04:46Z")
The Trump supporters on this board do not respond to questions like that posed in the thread title, i.e., requests to discuss Trump directly and why they support him. There have been attempts in the last few months with no takers. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/44 "2017-03-10T16:06:34Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Where are we at in society where we put the livelihoods of a few shellfish and birds over human beings?:(:(☹ You don’t understand how an ecological system works, do you? ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/45 "2017-03-10T16:10:06Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I knew you’d likely bring that up, that’s why I specifically mentioned the correlation-causation factor. > > Obviously, I’m glad that 11 million net jobs were created under Obama, but I’m not pleased or impressed that he was the first president to leave office without seeing a 3% growth in GDP minimum So at the end of the Trump administration, if you don’t see a 3% growth in GDP minimum, then you won’t be pleased or impressed with his Presidency? ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/46 "2017-03-10T16:10:11Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Where are we at in society where we put the livelihoods of a few shellfish and birds over human beings?:(:(☹ Much better off than if we lived in a society that didn’t understand science and the importance of the environment/ecology and its impact on human beings. ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/47 "2017-03-10T16:12:09Z")
> [@ThelmaLou](#): > > The Trump supporters on this board do not respond to questions like that posed in the thread title, i.e., requests to discuss Trump directly and why they support him. There have been attempts in the last few months with no takers. That’s why it’s fun when one actually DOES respond with concrete things he’d like to see 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/48 "2017-03-10T16:12:49Z")
> [@Slash1972](#): > > So at the end of the Trump administration, if you don’t see a 3% growth in GDP minimum, then you won’t be pleased or impressed with his Presidency? Yep, I will not. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/49 "2017-03-10T16:16:13Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yep, I will not. Will you be shocked, surprised and deeply saddened? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/50 "2017-03-10T16:19:07Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > Will you be shocked, surprised and deeply saddened? I would be surprised, because I really believe that the Republicans will hold on to both chambers for most, if not all of his two terms, which would let him pass most of the legislation he wants to grow the economy, as he is already doing aggressively with the Congressional Review Act to overturn burdensome regulations, or, as Steve Bannon out it, to “deconstruct the administrative state.” ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/51 "2017-03-10T16:19:48Z")
The vast majority of posts responding to the OP won’t be Trump supporter posts, since there aren’t many Trump supporters on the Dope. And I’m not a Trump supporter either, but… Trump is probably due for a recession in 1-2 years, due to the 7-year economic cycle, which is why it might have actually been more advantageous for Republicans to lose this election than to win it. But so far: Illegal immigration down 40% Dow Jones hits 21,000 points Job growth robust Nominated Neil Gorsuch Proposes $54 billion increase in defense spending Bad things: Terrible Cabinet choices - Tillerson, DeVos, etc.? Re-affirmed One China Policy Even though the “Muslim ban” originated under Obama, it wasn’t a good idea to execute it The GOP healthcare plan is awful ---
**Author:** ![Slash1972](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slash1972/32/6461_2.png) [@Slash1972](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slash1972)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/52 "2017-03-10T16:19:59Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yep, I will not. Thank you for explicitly stating your view. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/53 "2017-03-10T16:23:28Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Where are we at in society where we put the livelihoods of a few shellfish {…} over human beings?:(:(☹ Any guess on how much money and jobs are involved in “a few shellfish” per year? CMC fnord! ETA Shellfish don’t have “livelihoods”. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/54 "2017-03-10T16:25:51Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > I would be surprised, because I really believe that the Republicans will hold on to both chambers for most, if not all of his two terms, which would let him pass most of the legislation he wants to grow the economy, as he is already doing aggressively with the Congressional Review Act to overturn burdensome regulations, or, as Steve Bannon out it, to “deconstruct the administrative state.” As a self-proclained staunch conservative, will you see these things as victories even if they end up adding to the deficit? ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/55 "2017-03-10T16:26:55Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > The vast majority of posts responding to the OP won’t be Trump supporter posts, since there aren’t many Trump supporters on the Dope. And I’m not a Trump supporter either, but… > > Trump is probably due for a recession in 1-2 years, due to the 7-year economic cycle, which is why it might have actually been more advantageous for Republicans to lose this election than to win it. > > But so far: > > Illegal immigration down 40% > Dow Jones hits 21,000 points > **Job growth robust** > Nominated Neil Gorsuch > Proposes $54 billion increase in defense spending > Bad things: > > Terrible Cabinet choices - Tillerson, DeVos, etc.? > Re-affirmed One China Policy > **Even though the “Muslim ban” originated under Obama, it wasn’t a good idea to execute it** > The GOP healthcare plan is awful What did he do to spur job growth up to now? Besides, the source of that number is the same source he called fake all through the campaign. Obama didn’t ban Muslims. The 7 countries have extra scrutiny (extreme vetting) on refugees (18-24 months). ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/56 "2017-03-10T16:28:39Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > As a self-proclained staunch conservative, will you see these things as victories even if they end up adding to the deficit? If it’s only a short-run deficit and helps the economy then yes, if it results in a long-run, long-term deficit, that would obviously be a problem and not be a victory. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/57 "2017-03-10T16:32:46Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > What did he do to spur job growth up to now? Besides, the source of that number is the same source he called fake all through the campaign. > > Obama didn’t ban Muslims. The 7 countries have extra scrutiny (extreme vetting) on refugees (18-24 months). Yes, you’re right, Obama didn’t ban Muslims, and neither does Mr. Trump’s current, revised ban. The vast majority of countries with Muslim populations are not under this plan, and Trump made sure to allow legitimate visa holders to travel here, something that was wrongly excluded in the first ban. Also, Mr. Trump got the countries on his list from countries Obama listed as needing more, extra extreme vetting. He’s done many things to spur job growth economically by cracking down on regulatory excess that would only marginally help the environment and in turn put tens of thousands of hard-working coal workers out of a job, as well as weaken the fossil fuel industry. For example, he repealed the coal-stream Obama restriction rule, which would’ve killed several thousands of jobs, while only creating a few on the regulatory side (read:more government bureaucrats). Investors and stock traders are responding well to his promised pro-growth reform (although it won’t come 'til August), as we’ve seen from the high performance of the stock market and the ever-increasing Dow Jones. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/58 "2017-03-10T17:07:09Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Maybe, although I don’t think there’s anything nefarious to be found in them, despite what liberals would want the public to believe. So, its mostly a matter of faith with you? I mean, given his spotless record for strict honesty and straightforward candor? But wouldn’t you like to know, actually _know_? Don’t you wonder how he is going to do the accounting for his $25 million fraud settlement for Trump University? He lied to them, he stole their money. No problem with that? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/59 "2017-03-10T17:15:57Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > So, its mostly a matter of faith with you? I mean, given his spotless record for strict honesty and straightforward candor? But wouldn’t you like to know, actually _know_? Don’t you wonder how he is going to do the accounting for his $25 million fraud settlement for Trump University? He lied to them, he stole their money. > > No problem with that? He paid his debt to Trump University students, that’s what the $25 million settlement was for. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 5:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/60 "2017-03-10T17:18:11Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > He’s done many things to spur job growth economically by cracking down on regulatory excess that would only marginally help the environment and in turn put tens of thousands of hard-working coal workers out of a job, as well as weaken the fossil fuel industry. For example, he repealed the coal-stream Obama restriction rule, which would’ve killed several thousands of jobs, while only creating a few on the regulatory side (read:more government bureaucrats). This’ll be according the cite that claims job loss numbers that exceed the number of actual jobs, yes? Besides which, what’s killing the coal industry isn’t environmental regulation; it’s cheap natural gas. Fracking is making coal power plants uneconomical by a long way. Coal is the buggy-whip industry of the era - it’s sliding into obsolescence for reasons that have nothing to do with regulation or immigrants or Obama, and Trump’s promise to bring coal jobs roaring back isn’t going to come to fruition. And in the meantime miners can look forward to mine waste in their water supply, their children’s public schools falling into decline due to his educational policies, and of course health insurance subsidies disappearing. Yes, it’s all looking up for the miners. > [@](#): > > Investors and stock traders are responding well to his promised pro-growth reform (although it won’t come 'til August), as we’ve seen from the high performance of the stock market and the ever-increasing Dow Jones. Unless he decides to go on a Twitter rant about something again and cause yet another industry’s stock to plummet. And if there’s nothing “nefarious” in his tax returns, why is he not only so adamant about not releasing them but also actively lying about the reasons for not doing so? If there’s nothing wrong in them, _why has he lied so much about them_? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849.md?page=4)