# Fellow Trump voters: How do you think the Donald is doing so far. **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [March 10, 2017, 7:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849 "2017-03-10T07:38:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/81 "2017-03-10T20:57:44Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > That’s not correct either. > > The Jewish Week—a reputable, weekly New York newspaper serving the city’s Jewish communities—ran a story about how he’s donated generously to Jewish groups over the years, money that has been over six figures. ([http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/trumps-jewish-giving-rubs-against-tenor-of-his-campaign/](http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/trumps-jewish-giving-rubs-against-tenor-of-his-campaign/)) Interesting quote: A Jewish Week review of his foundation’s IRS Form 990 filings shows that Trump has donated or pledged substantial sums — $100,000 or more — to at least two Jewish groups in the last four years I’ve highlighted the relevant phrase. I suspect those groups probably shouldn’t start counting their chickens. ---
**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/82 "2017-03-10T20:58:41Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yes, sometimes he’s is. That a part of “The Art of The Deal”. He calls it “truthful hyperbole”. I doubt he knows what either of those words mean. One of my main concerns with Trump is that he truly seems stupid. He is certainly inarticulate, which is not always the same thing. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/83 "2017-03-10T21:02:07Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yes, sometimes he’s is. That a part of “The Art of The Deal”. He calls it “truthful hyperbole”. Actually (and here’s a concept you may be familiar with), he didn’t call it that at all. His ghostwriter did. His ghostwriter came up with the phrase after struggling to come up with a way of describing Trump’s behavior that didn’t include the words “lying”, “sack”, “of” , or “shit”. His ghostwriter has a lot of interesting things to say about Trump, almost none of it positive. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/84 "2017-03-10T21:05:34Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yes, sometimes he’s is. That a part of “The Art of The Deal”. He calls it “truthful hyperbole”. i guess that’s the difference between Trump supporters and those who aren’t. You think this is cute. > [@ckalli1998](#): > > I mean, what other politician doesn’t stretch the truth sometimes? We Trump supporters are at ease with the fact that the vast majority of the time he _is_ in fact telling the truth, but that at times he’s being obviously facetious and that his critics take him too literally, rather than figuratively, for example. The vast majority of the time Trump is babbling incoherently. The man can’t put together a complete thought without it being written down for him. Even then he’s got to add his commentary by repeating a word or phrase like some OCD patient. How are you not embarrassed by his behavior? ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/85 "2017-03-10T21:05:44Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > Actually (and here’s a concept you may be familiar with), he didn’t call it that at all. His ghostwriter did. His ghostwriter came up with the phrase after struggling to come up with a way of describing Trump’s behavior that didn’t include the words “lying”, “sack”, “of” , or “shit”. > > His ghostwriter has a lot of interesting things to say about Trump, almost none of it positive. His ghostwriter i New York journalist, and New York journalists overwhelmingly lean Democratic, (just look at the op-ed and editorial pages of the New York Times) so it’s not surprising that he does not like Trump’s politics. Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, of course. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/86 "2017-03-10T21:07:20Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > That’s not correct either. > > The Jewish Week—a reputable, weekly New York newspaper serving the city’s Jewish communities—ran a story about how he’s donated generously to Jewish groups over the years, money that has been over six figures. ([http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/trumps-jewish-giving-rubs-against-tenor-of-his-campaign/](http://jewishweek.timesofisrael.com/trumps-jewish-giving-rubs-against-tenor-of-his-campaign/)) From your link. > [@](#): > > review of his foundation’s IRS Form 990 filings His Foundation, not him. The foundation was using money others had given to the foundation, not Trump. [Records show that Trump gave nothing to the foundation after 2008.](http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/trump-and-the-truth-his-charitable-giving) > [@](#): > > But the Post also pointed out that Trump hadn’t given any of his own money to the Trump Foundation since 2008—almost all of its funding came from other people, including some of his business associates. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/87 "2017-03-10T21:07:54Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, of course. But not their own facts; you would agree? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/88 "2017-03-10T21:08:17Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > His ghostwriter i New York journalist, and New York journalists overwhelmingly lean Democratic, (just look at the op-ed and editorial pages of the New York Times) so it’s not surprising that he does not like Trump’s politics. > > Everyone’s entitled to their opinion, of course. He disliked him back when he was a Democrat. Trump is basically an enormous narcissistic sociopathic asshole, the dislike of which used to cut across political lines. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/89 "2017-03-10T21:10:57Z")
> [@running\_coach](#): > > From your link. > > His Foundation, not him. The foundation was using money others had given to the foundation, not Trump. [Records show that Trump gave nothing to the foundation after 2008.](http://www.newyorker.com/news/john-cassidy/trump-and-the-truth-his-charitable-giving) Great point. And some of the money given to the foundation was used to pay Trump’s personal bills, which I’d always thought was illegal. And if he’s really a billionaire, why does he continually and repeatedly steal from and defraud poor people? Shit don’t make sense, yo. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/90 "2017-03-10T21:13:16Z")
> [@QuickSilver](#): > > But not their own facts; you would agree? Yes, I would agree. It is a fact, as we know, that he has given generously to charities, more than some other celebrities. ---
**Author:** ![Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/blue_blistering_barnacle/32/3386_2.png) [@Blue\_Blistering\_Barnacle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blue_Blistering_Barnacle)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/91 "2017-03-10T21:13:39Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Where are we at in society where we put the livelihoods of a few shellfish and birds over human beings?:(:(☹ Where are we at in society where we put the cheap recreational opportunities of a few citizens over the health of all? ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_Economist](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/c89c15/32.png) [@Evil\_Economist](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_Economist)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/92 "2017-03-10T21:13:54Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yes, I would agree. It is a fact, as we know, that he has given generously to charities, more than some other celebrities. No, we don’t know that. Have you been reading the thread? ---
**Author:** ![purplehearingaid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/7bcc69/32.png) [@purplehearingaid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/purplehearingaid)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/93 "2017-03-10T21:19:52Z")
I happen to like having clean air and water and not having to smell hydrogen sulfide from the landfill near my home ! Trump want to get rid EPA and if this was to happen there is going more towns and cities dealing with a certain person that buy out landfills and turn them into a hydrogen sulfide factories ! Trump is going a horseshit job! ---
**Author:** ![Airbeck](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/airbeck/32/6574_2.png) [@Airbeck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Airbeck)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/94 "2017-03-10T21:20:06Z")
> [@Evil\_Economist](#): > > No, we don’t know that. Have you been reading the thread? He’s currently googling to find “his” opinion on the issue so he can copy and paste it here. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/95 "2017-03-10T21:22:12Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yes, I would agree. It is a fact, as we know, that he has given generously to charities, more than some other celebrities. It is certainly a fact that Trump has \*claimed \*to have done this. There is little evidence that he has actually donated, [until he was shamed into it months after promising to donate.](http://people.com/celebrity/donald-trump-donates-1-million-to-veterans-four-months-after-promise/) Basically, Trump _talks about_ donating. He brags about donating. There is little evidence that he ever really does donate his own money though. You know this. You really do. ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/96 "2017-03-10T21:30:34Z")
That is a gross misstatement. Trump did indeed promise during the campaign to give relief to coal industry workers from overzealous EPA regulations, but I don’t remember him every saying he would outright _abolish_ the agency, but that he’d would blow up some bureaucratic portions of it, and, in his words, “leave a little bit.” ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/97 "2017-03-10T21:36:08Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > That is a gross misstatement. Trump did indeed promise during the campaign to give relief to coal industry workers from overzealous EPA regulations, but I don’t remember him every saying he would outright _abolish_ the agency, but that he’d would blow up some bureaucratic portions of it, and, in his words, **“leave a little bit.”** That’s known as shrapnel. Often seen killing and wounding innocent bystanders. ---
**Author:** ![QuickSilver](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quicksilver/32/7832_2.png) [@QuickSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/QuickSilver)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/98 "2017-03-10T22:06:20Z")
> [@ckalli1998](#): > > Yes, I would agree. It is a fact, as we know, that he has given generously to charities, more than some other celebrities. Why do you do that? Answer questions not asked, avoid answering those that are, and bring up things completely irrelevant to the discussion we’re having… Is it to deflect? Avoid? Face it. You’ve put your faith and vote in a candidate based on information not in evidence nor supported by facts. It’s okay. Mistakes were made. The important thing is that you can admit it, grow from the experience and not repeat the same mistake again in the future - Then, you’ll be a man, my son. (cite: If - Rudyard Kipling). ---
**Author:** ![ckalli1998](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/a3d4f5/32.png) [@ckalli1998](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ckalli1998)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/99 "2017-03-10T22:39:49Z")
You know, it is really hypocritical to me for all these liberals who slam Trump repeatedly for what they say are his supposed lies and falsehoods, but were completely silent over Obama’s egregious, bald-faced lies. Remember his biggest campaign promise. If you like your healthcare plan, you can keep it? If you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor? Are you seriously going to deny that was a lie? What about a more egregious one Obama told? Let me show you. David Axelrod was one of Obama’s senior advisers and a very influential campaign staffer in both his elections. According to David Axelrod’s autobiography “Believer”, wich was released in 2014, Obama lied to the nation in his 2008 campaign when he said he opposed gay marriage, when he actually supported it. Axelrod wrote that because opposition to the black community was particularly strong in the black church, Obama didn’t want to risk losing the primaries to Hillary Clinton, a sincere believer in traditional marriage (at the time). That sounds to me like a clear example of a politician lying for political gain. Where’s your outrage? ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [March 10, 2017, 10:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849/100 "2017-03-10T22:44:01Z")
Obama also fathered black children, and actually had them live in the White House. OH, come and see the liberal hypocrisy! [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/fellow-trump-voters-how-do-you-think-the-donald-is-doing-so-far/781849.md?page=6)