Yes. Someone who isn’t productive is taking up limited lab space.
Excellent. Great to know. Marie CURIE also got it as an assistant and no one can claim her awards were unjustified.
But the confusion about that statement might explain the problem with understanding other posts…
Oh, you don’t need a PhD for that; one of the reasons I don’t have one is a Department Director who shouldn’t have even gotten a Bachelors.
The supervisor generally does very little of the actual work. Mine would review articles before we sent them for publication and he was shit at it; after my first article came back from the refs with a list of remarks which boiled down to “change back everything the supervisor said to change”, the other students in the group started asking me to review their articles in between bossman’s review and sending them to the refs.
Nava’s correction is a valid one.
Yep, this is the case:
Oh I see, thanks! Yes, that was confusing to me because I read “taking up” as “embarking on” rather than “occupying”. Clarifying nitpicks always appreciated.
Maybe this was a backhand apology to Jocelyn Bell who didn’t even get a share of the Nobel awarded to her supervisor although she made the discovery in the face of contrary advice from her thesis advisor who did get the prize. (Here I am quoting Fred Hoyle, from whom I heard the story in person.
This. I am adjunct (fortunately not on food stamps) and have been one since 1990, but I don’t see myself ever getting a FT tenured position no matter how many times I apply or how many great letters of rec or fine evaluations I obtain.
I don’t know why anyone is talking about adjuncts.
I’ve seen this on the front page for 3 days, now, and read through all the posts a few times. I am still a bit confused at the acceptance of the blatant elitism shown in the OP and wonderment at the fact that in 50 posts, nobody else has picked up on it.
I understand, it’s veiled in “it’s not elitism, it just goes to show how ‘the system’ is keeping women in their place”, but you can’t get any traction with that argument without the implied argument that a mere ASSOCIATE professor shouldn’t really considered capable of doing NOBEL PRIZE worthy work. The fact that she is ONLY an associate professor because, by her own admission, her motivations and values did not include becoming a full professor seems only to be a side story.
Anybody should be able to make significant contributions to the advance of knowledge, be they adjuncts, associate professors, or janitors. The idea that an associate professor is, somehow, inferior to a full professor, to me reeks of privilege. I guess it shouldn’t surprise me there is no reason that academia should be considered immune to hypocrisy.
if this is the English chick she dosent want the nobel prize anyhow because she says "once you win the nobel you never get considered for anything else ever unless you get lucky and win it twice "
Shed rather win the smaller prizes and party all year …….
Because we’re associate professors. At least, that’s what my title was on at least one campus where I taught.
I think it is more that in a lot of tenure track it seems a normal progression to go from assistant to associate to full professor. So when you get a professor that has won the nobel prize( for her graduate student work )and she has been in such a system for over 20 years it seems surprising that she is not at the top prestige rung of the department. In this cases it seems she simply didn’t care to be.
But there is no doubt you don’t need all that. I know a guy that very technically never finished his master’s degree and never worked in a research position until after he retired from his ‘straight’ job. But he nonetheless is one of the leading North American experts on the taxonomy of a couple of not particularly obscure organisms( okay, one is a bit obscure ). Brilliant guy, but he never got the “union card”( as he put it )of a PhD. Didn’t need it.
Not at Waterloo and not at damn near every school in North America.
At my university, adjuncts have the same series of ranks as full-time faculty, just preceded by “Adjunct”. So, we have Adjunct Instructors, Adjunct Assistant Professors, Adjunct Associate Professors, and Adjunct Professors. I don’t believe this is all that unusual: Academic ranks in the United States - Wikipedia.
On topic: One more voice to say that promotion to (full) Professor is not automatic in our system. The faculty member needs to (want to) apply.
Correct. And even when you apply, you might not get an interview. It’s certainly not guaranteed, no matter what you’ve done or accomplished.