# Female Star Trek Uniforms **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [January 29, 2007, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964 "2007-01-29T14:19:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/1 "2007-01-29T14:19:25Z")
Leaffan’s log: Star Date 36.24.36 I was stuck at home last Thursday, due to ongoing car issues, and happened to see an original Star Trek episode; it’s been a while. What I did happen to take note of though is that 25th century women apparently will be wearing 1960’s hairdos and miniskirts. I suggest all you 21st century women get ahead of the fashion curve and start to immediately incorporate this leading-edge trend. It would greatly improve the morale of this workplace as you boldly go to the bottom drawer of the filing cabinet behind me, or as you seek out new life on the top shelf of the inventory room. I think I have a problem with my Jeffries Tube you could help alleviate too. Over and out. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/2 "2007-01-29T14:21:25Z")
And go-go boots. Don’t forget the go-go boots. ---
**Author:** ![Ellen\_Cherry](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ellen_cherry/32/3600_2.png) [@Ellen\_Cherry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ellen_Cherry)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/3 "2007-01-29T14:21:56Z")
Hee hee. I’ve often noted that in the future, women must have discovered a long-hidden treasure trove of Whore Blue eyeshadow. ---
**Author:** ![BMalion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e274bd/32.png) [@BMalion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BMalion)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/4 "2007-01-29T14:28:34Z")
and Sally Kellerman didn’t have any underwear on either, woo-hoo. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/5 "2007-01-29T15:24:52Z")
There is no underwear in space, except for skimpy shirts and panties (see Ripley) and brass bras (see Leia). ---
**Author:** ![Otto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Otto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Otto)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/6 "2007-01-29T15:53:54Z")
[QUOTE=Leaffan] Leaffan’s log: Star Date 36.24.36 I was stuck at home last Thursday, due to ongoing car issues, and happened to see an original Star Trek episode; it’s been a while. What I did happen to take note of though is that 25th century women apparently will be wearing 1960’s hairdos and miniskirts. [/QUOTE] Congratulations. You have successfully taken note of something that every horny heterosexual male geek has taken note of _for the last forty years_. When come back bring news. ---
**Author:** ![CalMeacham](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/calmeacham/32/35_2.png) [@CalMeacham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CalMeacham)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/7 "2007-01-29T18:02:48Z")
Over the weekend I watched a horribly cut versiion of **Total Recall** on cable. Pepper Mill walked by. She is not blessed, as I am, with the ability to divine the title of bad movies from a mere two second glance, but she does have powerful fashion-fu. She watches “What not to Wear” religiously. And she knew it was SF, trying to depict the future and failing miserably. “1980s” she said. 'How do you know that?" I asked. “80s Hair. And shoulder pads. I tried on a suit like that in the 80s, and I looked like a linebacker.” ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 6:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/8 "2007-01-29T18:10:48Z")
[QUOTE=Otto] Congratulations. You have successfully taken note of something that every horny heterosexual male geek has taken note of _for the last forty years_. When come back bring news. [/QUOTE] …and Yeoman Rand. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Sunspace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunspace/32/1250_2.png) [@Sunspace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunspace)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 6:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/9 "2007-01-29T18:11:19Z")
See, in the 25-and-a-halfth century, the 1960s fashion revival will take place before the Cro-Magnon fashion revival and after the Elizabethan fashion revival. In other words, it will go from lace to miniskirts to bearskins. ---
**Author:** ![Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spectre_of_pithecanthropus/32/12343_2.png) [@Spectre\_of\_Pithecanthropus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spectre_of_Pithecanthropus)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/10 "2007-01-29T18:13:17Z")
That’s what I love about TOS; it tried to be futuristic but the female clothes and all the props and sets are so imbued with mid-1960s esthetics, and the SFX are so cheesy by today’s standards, that it looks outmoded and futuristic at the same time. I hadn’t seen any of those episodes for years and years, but I discovered a couple of weeks ago that they are on TVLAND at 7am PT, so I’ve been watching at the gym while I do my cardio. Cool beans! ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/11 "2007-01-29T18:18:52Z")
Hair? Star Trek? Skirts and blue eye-shadow? Why, beam me into Cafe Society, Scotty! ---
**Author:** ![Voyager](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/voyager/32/133_2.png) [@Voyager](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Voyager)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/12 "2007-01-29T18:56:23Z")
[QUOTE=Sunspace] See, in the 25-and-a-halfth century, the 1960s fashion revival will take place before the Cro-Magnon fashion revival and after the Elizabethan fashion revival. In other words, it will go from lace to miniskirts to bearskins. [/QUOTE] Hey, retro will be in - but replaced by the time of Picard. I want to note the extreme lack of fabric on alien worlds, and the unfair way that alien men hoard it all. ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 7:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/13 "2007-01-29T19:19:43Z")
I watched Star Trek TOS a little when I was younger. I really got into The Next Generation in my teen years. Now I’m watching the TOS a bit more since TVLand is rerunning it. Two things strike me: 1. Every episode has a hot alien chick that Kirk messes around with. I think some have said he never actually had sex with the alien women, but I just saw an episode where Kirk was sped way up relative to rest of the universe, and the female alien wanted Kirk to stay in their time frame and be her king. The beginning of one scene showed them standing next to a bed, in the last stages of getting dressed. So it’s pretty clear he got that one at least. 2. The episodes are way too…DRAMATIC. Closeups of sweaty brows and wild eyes, trauma, suffering, rage, grief. Geez why so dramatic? That’s all. ---
**Author:** ![teela\_brown](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/d9b06d/32.png) [@teela\_brown](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/teela_brown)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/14 "2007-01-29T19:22:16Z")
I thought this thread would be about Deanna Troi and how she seemed to wear whatever the hell she felt like wearing, yet all other female ST:TNG women officers seemed restricted to the standard-issue uniform. How’d she get that to fly? ---
**Author:** ![control-z](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/eada6e/32.png) [@control-z](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/control-z)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/15 "2007-01-29T19:24:41Z")
[QUOTE=teela brown] I thought this thread would be about Deanna Troi and how she seemed to wear whatever the hell she felt like wearing, yet all other female ST:TNG women officers seemed restricted to the standard-issue uniform. How’d she get that to fly? [/QUOTE] She had EERIE BETAZOID MIND CONTROL POWERS, a.k.a. boobs. ---
**Author:** ![Hypno-Toad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/b2d939/32.png) [@Hypno-Toad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypno-Toad)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/16 "2007-01-29T19:28:05Z")
[QUOTE=Spectre of Pithecanthropus] That’s what I love about TOS; it tried to be futuristic but the female clothes and all the props and sets are so imbued with mid-1960s esthetics, and the SFX are so cheesy by today’s standards, that it looks outmoded and futuristic at the same time. [/QUOTE] Actually, they’ve remastered much of the SFX with new CG technology. I saw “For The World Is Hollow and I Have Touched The Sky” a couple of nights ago and didn’t realize that this change had happened at first. But then I thought, “Wow, that’s a pretty good establishing shot for this show.” and I remembered the upgrade. At that point it became obvious and I was impressed about how well-done the changes were. ---
**Author:** ![Count\_Blucher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c5a1d2/32.png) [@Count\_Blucher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Count_Blucher)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/17 "2007-01-29T19:28:36Z")
We’re just lucky she didn’t show up to the set in Tribble-slippers… ---
**Author:** ![dmatsch](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/3be4f8/32.png) [@dmatsch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dmatsch)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/18 "2007-01-29T19:58:23Z")
[QUOTE=Ellen Cherry] Hee hee. I’ve often noted that in the future, women must have discovered a long-hidden treasure trove of Whore Blue eyeshadow. [/QUOTE] that’s because in the 25th century, all women come from their home on Whore Island. ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/19 "2007-01-29T20:02:58Z")
Better women in skirts than men in skirts, I say, re: some early episodes of TNG. Interestingly, the original pilot episode, “The Cage”, shows women in pants and they look just fine to me. _Trek_ pandering isn’t limited to the original series, though. Unecessary catsuits were common on all the shows, with 7 of 9 and T’Pol being the most obvious and somewhat offputting examples. Well, and all those “decon gel” scenes in _Enterprise_. ---
**Author:** ![Mister\_Rik](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mister_rik/32/491_2.png) [@Mister\_Rik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mister_Rik)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2007, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964/20 "2007-01-29T20:24:46Z")
[QUOTE=teela brown] I thought this thread would be about Deanna Troi and how she seemed to wear whatever the hell she felt like wearing, yet all other female ST:TNG women officers seemed restricted to the standard-issue uniform. How’d she get that to fly? [/QUOTE] I suspect the premise was that, since her duties entailed working as an actual counselor/therapist (as opposed to detecting emotions from the main viewer), often with the large civilian contingent on the ship, people would feel more comfortable sharing their inner thoughts with her if she didn’t obviously look like an officer or “authority figure”. You’ll also notice that when that other captain (the one who filled in while Picard was away on a secret mission) informed Troi that she would have to start wearing a proper Starfleet uniform, her “proper Starfleet uniform” was a much brighter shade of blue than normally seen, almost turquoise against Dr. Crusher’s periwinkle 😉 And frankly, I think Deanna looked better in that “proper” uniform than she ever did in any of the other getups she wore. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/female-star-trek-uniforms/389964.md?page=2)